tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post2065145735645415783..comments2024-03-29T10:51:09.468+00:00Comments on BBCZeitgeist.Blogspot.Com British Born Chinese Blog: I Feel British - But Not British Enough To Support Team GB At The London Olympicshappybritishchinesehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-20796474388442880642017-09-23T10:39:34.848+01:002017-09-23T10:39:34.848+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.harada57https://www.blogger.com/profile/06015023155124017905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-46547254996682378172012-08-17T05:31:14.125+01:002012-08-17T05:31:14.125+01:00Happybritishchinese, I'm waiting for the reply...Happybritishchinese, I'm waiting for the reply to see if it's accepted. This is the third version. If nothing next week, I'll forward the whole article to you. I will not be able to post over the next few days because I'm away, but hope to update you on Monday. Thanks for the email. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-22876006525483294992012-08-16T20:11:23.783+01:002012-08-16T20:11:23.783+01:00SF if you need assistance/feedback send me an emai...SF if you need assistance/feedback send me an email: happybritishchinese@gmail.com<br /><br />Whilst I respect BBCz's independent approach, I'm also open to trying to assist anyone here who wants to contribute their points but finds it a challenge to get it into article format.<br /><br />What I've found that if you're writing from personal experience,in a personal way, sometimes that can over-ride the facts and figures. But I do agree that a little research can help cement your argument.<br /><br />happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-60659485580284540452012-08-16T12:37:42.531+01:002012-08-16T12:37:42.531+01:00Happybritishchinese, I have submitted my first one...Happybritishchinese, I have submitted my first one, but it seems BBCZeitgeist feels I'm more into chit-chat rather than stating my views. He wants a more article format with facts and figures, something I'm unused to and to be honest time consuming. I have re-submitted for the third time, so hope it makes it, I'm waiting. <br /><br />I find it so much more easier to reply to comments, and build a natural conversation that way. I don't like researching and finding links etc. Many of what I have written on this blog are what just comes out of my mind. I have set views and opinions on why some things are the way they are, theories even, but I believe they'll not be transformed into articles well. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-56411740330034374942012-08-16T10:03:15.116+01:002012-08-16T10:03:15.116+01:00Mo Farah's double win is fantastic for British...Mo Farah's double win is fantastic for British Somalians and Somalians, but whats the history between UK and Somalia? I think as we already discussed Britain wont accept any UK ethnic unless his /her home country has been colonised.<br /><br />In this respect, it also explains the complacent attitude and laziness of BBCs towards sports and as most BBC/ Chinese of the sports age are too busy fiddling with their iphone or thinking about making money to take any form of athleticism seriously.<br /><br /><br />happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-43474081903851045842012-08-16T09:39:46.743+01:002012-08-16T09:39:46.743+01:00I made the original post at 11 August 2012 19:54
...I made the original post at 11 August 2012 19:54<br /><br />Guess what the BBC have done?<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19256643Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-72538500105037507362012-08-15T21:05:35.433+01:002012-08-15T21:05:35.433+01:00Your father is a good man, I like him already. May...Your father is a good man, I like him already. Maybe he will like my article too, when it's done.<br /><br />Speaking of which, how are your articles coming along? Time you spend commenting you could have written several by now, woman!<br /><br />Yes i'm aware Taiwan is used as bait by the west just like the other 'tigers' to attack China<br /><br />And now for some royal-related news:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19273969happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-15088063345580017692012-08-15T19:35:19.464+01:002012-08-15T19:35:19.464+01:00Happybritishchinese, I wish I understood this obse...Happybritishchinese, I wish I understood this obsession about the Jews. You really sound like my father. He's always blaming them too. For now, I have to see. But I still believe it's the Christian right from America who are really the driving force. They need to ensure that the Jews are living and in control of Israel. It serves their religious purpose.<br /><br />As for China, she might be shy, but she barks every now and then. Or is that correct people. Every time the wrong flag has been flown, example the recent Chinese Taipei flag, you almost feel someone is behind the deliberate attempt to bait China into a defensive mode. <br /><br />Corrections sends out two messages. For too long, people think they can be ignorant about Asian politics and make usual mistakes like assuming Taiwan is main China. China has a duty to put it right, not from foreigner's mouth, but from China, and only then will people slowly realise China will no longer stay silent.<br /><br />Of course, further down the line, there is still a huge issue of idolising western ideals, and it will be for a long time. China has more or less copied the world model of capitalism, and on a grander scale mimicking white culture. The only difference is, China like a lot of individual Chinese are always more competitive and want to do that extra better than others. <br /><br />And for that, China will go through the same pitfalls and same shorterm successess. It's after that, where will China be amongst Europe and America. But for now, it's strange to witness jealousy masked under the guise of concern for Human rights. <br /><br />Ironic really since when China kicked out a group of former terror suspects held in Guantanamo bay, the world's media didn't know where to look or what to say. For me, it's the best example of the double standards employed, and the simple truth was, China held up a mirror for other nations to look into and realise their own hypocrisy. It also spelt out the many unjustified bullying going on for decades that China had to put up with. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-6119431947180615652012-08-15T00:21:19.157+01:002012-08-15T00:21:19.157+01:00Its not the Christians we have to worry about. Int...Its not the Christians we have to worry about. Interesting point about the tall poppy syndrome. China doesn't know how to deal with the fame and glory. Its like a shy child thats always wanted the attention that others got, and now its got it doesn't know what to do with it.<br /><br />She should just ignore whats around her ( or at least as best she can whilst being courted by imperialists) and just tend to her people.<br /><br />BBCs that dont notice the sour grapes are just apolitical. Pride doesn't exist because for them priority is first and foremost practicality and good old Chinese survivalist nature. May as well be all 1's and 0's.<br /><br />happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-91137583598110693472012-08-14T20:19:26.627+01:002012-08-14T20:19:26.627+01:00Happybritishchinese, I'm sure you didn't w...Happybritishchinese, I'm sure you didn't write that to sound cool or intellectual. Having said that, the Christian right in America might be using these Zionist loving ex-Americans to harvest their dream of making sure Israel is in the right hands.<br /><br />In the end, it (to me anyway) all means one thing. A media dominated by a Christian right, with colonial tendencies. Which means, ethnics are and always should be under the control of them. Certainly, the media's underlying tones says that. <br /><br />And China is finding itself in a strange place. Is it the tall poppy syndrome? It can be a lonely place at the top, and especially when past dominating countries find themselves having to contend with what was once a poverty ridden nation. I think a really bad case of sour grapes not only in Olympics.<br /><br />It's so blatant nowadays that so many people who are 'not' Chinese notice and point it out to me. Any BBC who fails to admit this 'must' be either desperate or living on a parallel universe.<br /><br />Finally, I believe the BBC (British Broadcasting) are trying to get their own back in a sly way. They were practically kicked out of China and partially banned for their biased reporting in the past, and I was not at all surprised to see them allow their presenters have total artistic control with minimal corrections. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-64568591920714875142012-08-13T18:05:28.780+01:002012-08-13T18:05:28.780+01:00SF Its not just 'white'. Read what I wrote...SF Its not just 'white'. Read what I wrote: <br /><br />'white-subcategory homeless fake hebrew diaspora'<br /><br />I didnt write that to sound 'cool' or 'intellectual'<br /><br />Somewhere in the drafts, I have an article somewhere on here that was rejected, and someday I get round to it will rewrite it and make it more relevant to this blog, because its the same story over and over again. They attack, we react, etc etc its about time we looked at the scum that are pulling the strings. <br /><br /> happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-86183558546252184672012-08-13T17:58:16.806+01:002012-08-13T17:58:16.806+01:00Anonymous 00.35, I don't have the answers to t...Anonymous 00.35, I don't have the answers to that. I believe that respect and being proud of one's heritage has to come from the home/family first. I can see here for instance, a fair few feeling like they had to find themselves, not through their parents' but through soul searching and sudden realisation that something is not right, us BBCs are losing something. And that's the lust for white culture and not forming something half-way or independent of this country's mass culture. But just blindly following this country's mainstream culture.<br /><br />This can sometimes cause resentment and anger. Maybe even an over-reaction on some issues. It's a shame that many of our parents fail to understand what has happened. I can bet that they'll also be expecting many of you lot to find a good Chinese girl too. But at the same time always looking up to all things western. It's this strange mix and hypocrisy that has caused some identity issues. <br /><br />You only have to look at the Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, they are all born with native names, still practice their religions, and of course still wear traditonal wear. Evers since the revolution in China, the only real down side has been to wash away treaditional culture and ape western culture. Hence many Hong Kong families adopting Christian first names at the drop of a hat! Says it all. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-57516705848221623512012-08-13T00:35:44.076+01:002012-08-13T00:35:44.076+01:00The difference is that they are the old... the old...The difference is that they are the old... the old are sticking together. What about the young, the future? That is most telling about which direction our race will be going. (whitewashed, judging by our youth)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-8632501056591107132012-08-13T00:33:54.555+01:002012-08-13T00:33:54.555+01:00Whites seem to be accepting blacks and indians (wo...Whites seem to be accepting blacks and indians (wonderful bit of indian dancing in the monty python bit, what a representation of Britain, eh). the only demographic that wasn't covered was us. And since it was London, you can't fail to notice us there.... kinda like the OC (US TV show), where orientals make up a huge percentage but the show never featured a single one...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-54698273196878191132012-08-12T23:54:34.827+01:002012-08-12T23:54:34.827+01:00Closing olympic ceremony, Jeremy Hunt's Chines...Closing olympic ceremony, Jeremy Hunt's Chinese wife is sitting directly behind Kate Middleton, how wonderful it must be for her as a Chinese mainlander to be able to just marry into the White British Bourgeoisie, this ceremony is broadcast back to China, sending a lovely message to Chinese women all over China that they can also fulfil their dream by seeking a posh rich White British man! Just ask Gu kailai!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-81983960490789688262012-08-12T22:42:49.559+01:002012-08-12T22:42:49.559+01:00About identity. I don't consider myself to be ...About identity. I don't consider myself to be a proud BBC because it doesn't sit naturally. This label has been put around my neck due to the place I happen to be born in. I'm happy to support and see Mo Farah and Jessica Ennis win golds because I know their golds are worth more than one medal. I support them as individuals. With China, I watch with interest, because I recognise hard work, and I believe in hard work. The British like to talk down hard work like it's wrong, like some fairytale they think they win by default. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-14389700033626052442012-08-12T22:33:33.190+01:002012-08-12T22:33:33.190+01:00@BBCZeitgeist, my parents have always drummed into...@BBCZeitgeist, my parents have always drummed into us the double-standards of the west. They do support China and this rubs off, and without fail, we would take a lot of interest with China's progress. I should imagine right now, my father will be really worked up that the US has taken top spot.<br /><br />But my mother is not as bad. She is like a lot of the Hong Kongers, careful to distance herself from mainlanders. Even ten years back when I was with her in Hong Kong, she ruthlessly started a huge row with some mainlanders about their lack of queuing skills in some fairground ride. I was so embarrassed when she blatantly attacked "their ways" as if all mainlanders push in.<br /><br />I'm not sure how clueless other parents are, but if it's anything like your parents, that's not a good place to be. However, I consider my parents to be like many of the FOBs from Hong Kong. FOBs do stick together, and if my father's not permenantly glued to Phoenix TV, then my mother is attending her Mar-Jong mates' house to gamble. There is no integration going on. Ignorance is bliss. If they've not been exposed to the discrimination and racism today, it's because of their little circle they've built around themselves. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-71285587652512307902012-08-12T22:23:29.403+01:002012-08-12T22:23:29.403+01:00and more inter racial white man asian woman repres...and more inter racial white man asian woman representation in the closinjg ceremony...yoko ono and John lennon...are we getting the message yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-36020696895867515812012-08-12T22:19:14.947+01:002012-08-12T22:19:14.947+01:00Happybritishchinese, I wouldn't call it two-fa...Happybritishchinese, I wouldn't call it two-faced, but the classic fake sincerity that's always pushed. The tone is often slow clapping than happy clapping. The fact that China's dominance has been used as a negative, it means nothing China can do to gain respect. That's why I believe China must push the same feeling too. <br /><br />Something for you to consider, so whenever you think of why why why. Caucasions around the world make up a far smaller portion in mass over ethnics (or people of colour) yet when you think about it, the media is run by the west = prodominantely white, and they are serving for their own interests. What do they care about China (for now) and their feelings. I believe it's worse now because of China's strong economic position in the (ironically) capitalist system, therefore, the only last attack is the single party politics. SF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-34658186126177522862012-08-12T21:12:38.157+01:002012-08-12T21:12:38.157+01:00LOL classicLOL classichappybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-28440932883987135012012-08-12T21:10:35.026+01:002012-08-12T21:10:35.026+01:00Hahahaha just saw Jeremy Hunt's Chinese wife s...Hahahaha just saw Jeremy Hunt's Chinese wife sing God Save the Queen! That is just taking the piss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-6182901899554264132012-08-12T16:59:58.677+01:002012-08-12T16:59:58.677+01:00Does anyone recall how just a week or so ago, when...Does anyone recall how just a week or so ago, when China was leading the medals table, how the white press were cynical and passive-aggressive to this fact in their stories? The links above I mentioned about "Will their dominance in table tennis end" and "China's obsession with Gold", as if to make the Chinese feel guilty about winning?<br /><br />Well now the roles are reversed and the US have the most golds, look at how the white press portray it now<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19231778<br /><br />"USA push China aside to restore medal dominance"<br /><br />Oh I'm sorry, I thought winning gold was a negative? That being on top isn't a big deal, that this isn't really a competition or rivalry? So why the warlike headline then - "push China aside".... you didn't sound in such fighting mood last week, did you white media?<br /><br />When losing = passive aggressive, bitter, dismissive about Chinese achievements<br /><br />When winning = us whites beat them and fucked them up good.<br /><br /><br />This is the danger of a prevalent white media being the "go to", default outlet for news stories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-69411928686134849562012-08-12T09:55:24.095+01:002012-08-12T09:55:24.095+01:00ha yeah, TEAM GB with a British Chinese competing ...ha yeah, TEAM GB with a British Chinese competing against China swapping between Sinophobic slur and Cheering. Comedic. No wait, he's Team GB isn't he? <br /><br />On another note, in line with comment made by <br /><br />Anonymous7 August 2012 02:56<br /><br />re; Tiger mum upbringing. That British Chinese seem to be at a disadvantage from both ends ie: tiger mum upbringing wanting practicality over, not athletic enough, racist media, again this is why BBC's should celebrate our own achievements. One of the problems that we are so lame apart from those issues is that we are so ashamed that we don't have any representation in media such as Sports. But if as I said we took appreciation in the effort that each of us as individuals make, without it having to be gold standard, we would have a healthier social identity. The problem is on top of the above ailments, it's the old face-saving problems that makes us our own enemy. We are so critical of our culture and of each other, that anything below a certain standard is just not good enough. BBC's need to lower their standards for BBC's and take genuine interest in each other and not always compare to the white default, this goes for sports etc anything. Blacks do this, whites do this, why don't British Chinese? If we love criticizing each other, why don't we do this in a way to make ourselves healthier and improve, just like we do on this blog to build ourselves up. There's a huge issue I have with Chinese criticism - the bad type - that doesn't build ourselves up. We are always looking down on each other because we don't want to build our own set of standards. Unless we have that sense of comradery and support as a race, you can forget the whole issue about British Chinese representation in sports, because look at what non-white athletes ( eg footballers) have to put up with in this white-centric country. Even if British Chinese suddenly got socially 'accepted', this element will not go away overnight, that's why we need to be seen to support each other's efforts, good or bad, with our OWN efforts. With over-riding white media, of course that's a challenge, but that's the whole point isn't it? We are a niche minority, so we should make the most of the cards we are dealt with rather than pretending to be something we are not. Approach our identity as a creator, not a consumer.As I said above, at times, appreciate the effort, and spirit, not always the winning.<br /><br />The problem is that we are always comparing ourselves to white culture, when we should be competing ourselves to each other. Using the athlete example, it's pointless comparing ourselves to say a Chinese athlete, when the environment, diet, coaching opportunities, for a British Chinese athlete are the same as white athletes. But within that framework, we need to challenge and compete with each other to make each other, so that if the opportunity did arise, we would have the support. Right now, even if we had a BBC/BC athlete, there's no fan-base for it.Stuff like this is grassroots based, you don't create a superhuman British Chinese athlete overnight, forcefeed him a shitload of ginseng and herbal jelly wind him and watch him go. Although that's what the BBCs that are unrealistic seem to want. Not enough give, too much take. Actually this is a common issue I think with Hong Kong Chinese FOB mentality, which I wonder can be undone so easily by this generation.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-21676257345257114152012-08-11T23:20:56.731+01:002012-08-11T23:20:56.731+01:00Great comments. It's funny, if there was a Bri...Great comments. It's funny, if there was a British Chinese athlete in Team GB, then I can imagine the mainstraim media still being sinophobic, with common folk still yelling their sinophobic epiphets, whatever, but when you tell them about the BBC athlete, they will just either go blank, or just go "yeah but he/she is the exception", like talking as if he/she was the only BBC in the UK, and it's worth noting that those racial epiphets would still apply to the BBC athlete.<br /><br />Of course, they can always use the excuse of "yeah but I'm talking about da evil communist governmentz!" even when it's obvious that 99% of these comments and articles are plain sinophobia.Wongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-19921923965045846222012-08-11T22:59:23.299+01:002012-08-11T22:59:23.299+01:00I agree, that we need rolemodels in sports and oth...I agree, that we need rolemodels in sports and other media, but i'm also a realist in the sense that as SFs comment above, it's not going to happen as long as China is not 'under control' by the elites, hence all the anti-China comments that you peeps have all mentioned already. <br /><br />Even though I'm not bothered to watch the olympics because i get bored of watching sports as i think i mentioned If it were the case that China WAS to become under control, similar to how western media Olympics reporting seems to swarm and diss China at every opportunity, ironically, with China submitting to western political 'control' then we probably WOULD have ethnic British Chinese representation in sports.<br /><br />' you're one of us now welcome to British acceptance'<br /><br />And re: BBCz's deep thinking about our identity, as far as I can see, it's a dilemma. If we cheer China, we are seen as outsiders, if we cheer Britain we are betraying our roots. For me, what that means is that as a British Born Chinese, who is strongly pro-China, I would rather eat dogshit before I support the intentions of fascist sinophobic western elite, olympics or otherwise. <br /><br />If that means having no representation or putting up with racial slights, so be it. I've always said we should just represent ourselves and support each other with our own media , anyway, I don't really care about being seen to be accepted as British, by whites, what is more important for me is celebrating our own lives as individuals, our arts , opinions, creative culture, and appreciating each other for those efforts. Whether that will ever happen, who knows, but that's why I keep blogging on here. <br /><br />For me, if we have our own sense of social solidarity, being loved by British whites will happen on it's own, regardless.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.com