tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post30195676589570010..comments2024-03-07T12:45:00.391+00:00Comments on BBCZeitgeist.Blogspot.Com British Born Chinese Blog: Do BBC's Occupy A Lonely On-line Condition?happybritishchinesehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-34228852105624213262018-03-09T11:06:48.777+00:002018-03-09T11:06:48.777+00:00Thanks for the interesting and informative blog. I...Thanks for the interesting and informative blog. I recently came across this blog and read the blog, and I really liked it.Payal Patelhttp://www.alohagujarat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-42529667938156824572017-01-08T03:45:22.559+00:002017-01-08T03:45:22.559+00:00By the way, the social experiment filmed was askin...By the way, the social experiment filmed was asking girls in London if they find Asian (formerly BBC, but now more commonly known as Asian thanks to Americanisation) guys attractive, and if they would date Asian guys.<br /><br />I'm not trying to start a revolution here but I'd like to make a contribution by drawing attention, even if just by a bit, to our community.<br /><br />Hopefully, the video can be uploaded to YouTube by Monday. <br /><br />I sincerely hope this reaches some of you guys on here!Michaelhttps://youtu.be/ordCmdGrjKknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-71021150737046410692017-01-07T12:24:05.079+00:002017-01-07T12:24:05.079+00:00Hey guys,
Not sure if this blog is still active o...Hey guys,<br /><br />Not sure if this blog is still active or there are still any readers out there. I myself was a reader not long ago. It's very true that we as BBCs don't have much online presence, whether on YouTube or social media in general, but more so when compared to our US counterparts. <br />Just from encountering this article and a few others, it inspired me to work harder at channel. I recently posted a Vlog on YouTube and am currently editing (granted working solo is difficult) a social experiment video I recently shot before the new year in Central London; trailer to this video is on my Instagram.<br /><br />I'm a full British-Born-Chinese guy, born and raised in London; think of one of the roughest areas there, thats where I grew up and still live.<br /><br />Now, writing eloquent articles isn't my forte, I'm no A* student so please forgive me. I will try to make this short and sweet.<br /><br />All I am looking for are likeminded BBCs who are up for making this happen on YouTube. I want to see us BBCs have just as much presence as the next person in UK or anywhere else. But I'm struggling to find more people! <br />Help me guys. <br /><br />Thanks, I hope and look forward to hearing from somebody out there!<br />Michaelhttps://youtu.be/ordCmdGrjKknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-52876486823746624662013-01-28T18:00:35.011+00:002013-01-28T18:00:35.011+00:00Thanks for this very interesting and informative s...Thanks for this very interesting and informative stuff. I have recently came to this blog and see the stuff quality. Very good. Abacushttp://www.mastermindabacus.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-80390115966335153112012-11-18T10:01:44.833+00:002012-11-18T10:01:44.833+00:00Rachel Khoo is Eurasian so she doesnt count as a B...Rachel Khoo is Eurasian so she doesnt count as a BBC or ethnic Chinese.<br /><br />'Isn't the whole point about the internet that you can be whoever you want to be and talk about whatever the heck you want'<br /><br />Yes, it does, and for the hipster smart-alec OMG generation of BBCs, there is now even less sense of cultural responsibility towards our already fragmented identity. <br /><br />Which is why it takes the words of an 'insecure' article to have hit such a nerve of a pro-multiculturalist like yourself, and possibly make you rethink things. A good thing, then.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-13378580524105063242012-11-15T19:25:59.611+00:002012-11-15T19:25:59.611+00:00This article reeks of insecurity. The writer is ta...This article reeks of insecurity. The writer is taking out their own problems on others. <br /><br />You don't know Biancarosa, who are you to say that she has taken advantage of her poor, hard-working Chinese parents? Do you know her parents? How do you know she isn't adopted? How do you know her parents are poor? How do you know she is dating a white man?<br /><br />And you condemn her blog for being insipid, self-indulgent, etc. etc. I can only imagine you've written this because it makes you feel better to put down a 20 year old Chinese girl, who hasn't even finished University yet. This well-rounded, thought-out article shows how you are obviously SO much more mature than her. You're obviously SO much less "self-indulgent" and "insipid".<br /><br />And all of this hatred is because she doesn't have posts upon posts about being Chinese? So all Chinese bloggers must write about being Chinese? Should all Korean bloggers blog about Kpop? By that logic, Rachel Khoo is a disgrace because she hosts programs about French food, when - gasp - she is not French, she's Chinese! How atrocious! <br /><br />Why must people's online identities be dictated by their ethnicity? Isn't the whole point about the internet that you can be whoever you want to be, and talk about whatever the heck you want? Of course, that same logic gives insecure men like you the freedom to comment in whatever way you want, so fair play. But it also gives me the freedom to say this: screw you. And have a nice day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-77559892441593933352012-10-24T05:36:49.598+01:002012-10-24T05:36:49.598+01:00Also goes to show how far-gone a certain generatio...Also goes to show how far-gone a certain generation mindset has become. So narcissistically self-involved in their musing inner dialogue, not only do these bloggers inadvertantly tell the online world they are utterly boring mundane fools with nothing to say, they actually appear to be proud of it.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-3898083130649195012012-10-22T18:25:55.946+01:002012-10-22T18:25:55.946+01:00the sad thing about these 'loners' in that...the sad thing about these 'loners' in that article is that one article from this blog on average attracts more comments than all the comments of the 5 blogs put together and yet they still carry on blogging as loners to audience of absolutely nobody. BBCZeitgeisthttp://www.bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-82637505280355587182012-10-21T16:48:27.496+01:002012-10-21T16:48:27.496+01:00That's psychologically one of the reasons why ...That's psychologically one of the reasons why interracial marriage in the British Chinese community is so high compared to other races... because we identify ourselves as British, yet are still not accepted as British. Not just on stupid forms, but in media, wider society. Thus we beg and scurry and make do with any white so if not us - our children - will finally be able to seen as British.<br /><br />Whereas with other communities who regard themselves as British, but still Indian/black etc... they have no such issue with that, because wider society (more or less, bar the obvious racist elements) still see them as British AS WELL as (whatever). Thus they have no such pressure to conform to what is British - because they are already British.<br /><br />Whereas no matter what ethnic Chinese do in this country, they are still Chinese.<br /><br />Another thing is that, following social norms, whenever there has been a movement to "wash out" a minority culture/peoples etc... there has always been an opposite reaction e.g. As we become more European, we hear people take pride in their Scottishness or welshness more.... in India, if there is more westernisation from the national level, on the local level there are always strong opposition who emphasise and retain their roots and localism more.... the only exception we have seen here is when oriental races are involved. No such "anti-movement" within the British Chinese community. Or how about Chinese Americans, 70% of the women there marry outside the Chinese community... that is staggering. If you had even 10% in a Muslim or Indian American community, there would be outrage. Even black Americans do not figure so highly interracially.... <br /><br />This lack of "resistance", not just in Britain but on a global level, will be (unless things take a dramatic shift) be the downfall of our people. Not wars, not conflict on a national level - locally we are willing to be assimilated into extinction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-52655929624417044072012-10-19T08:10:14.567+01:002012-10-19T08:10:14.567+01:00I've been in the Mainland working for nearly 1...I've been in the Mainland working for nearly 10 years, on and off, and so the internet is the only thing I use to keep tabs on what's happening in the UK. <br /><br />I initially was quite involved in the BBChinese scene over ten years ago, the meetups, events etc. but I soon petered out; something was not quite right and very possibly I was becoming smug and self-important. With other personal life-events, I f**ked off here for the duration. <br /><br />I've only just started reading your blog about two months ago. And I have to say - you have articulated and crystallised well the thoughts and ruminations I've had for a long, long time about the hollow, indifferent and narcissistic state of our, and I say it for want of a better term, "community".<br /><br />You're burning-out, take a break,and return with fire!<br /><br /> ptnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-39299367195309274882012-10-19T00:37:48.194+01:002012-10-19T00:37:48.194+01:00Yep even without a community leader,zilch media re...Yep even without a community leader,zilch media representation media, ethnic Chinese women running to the safe arms of their ( insert color here) non-Chinese knight in shining armour, BBCs STILL ( god dammit) have to look at the Chinese tickbox as a thing of pride and not liability. <br /><br />Why cant we just be left alone to our ducklip photo collective and videogames? ZOMG LIFES SOOOooo UNFAIR.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-82779048461315860192012-10-18T21:31:09.251+01:002012-10-18T21:31:09.251+01:00Whats interesting to note is the 'mixed' h...Whats interesting to note is the 'mixed' has 3 different categories. Gosh let's label the Chinese as one emnity but god forbid offending the precious british mixed race hybrids that we lovingly helped socially engineer.<br />==========<br /><br />Another thing is that we have seen from recent surveys that many British Born Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and to a lesser extent Indians, pledge loyalty to their respective nation, moreso than Britain.... in Newsnight last year when interviewing disillusioned Muslims and the drone attack in the US, most said they would fight for Pakistan rather than Britain if they had the chance...indeed, you've seen the protests in Britain against British soldiers. <br /><br />By contrast, here has been no such British Chinese being so vocal about their loyalty to China (indeed, most British Born have nothing but unfleeting loyalty to Britain, despite the racism and non-acceptance of their identity as anything but Chinese)... yet we are still regarded as just Chinese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-77048101305379321292012-10-18T21:21:02.986+01:002012-10-18T21:21:02.986+01:00It was a university enrolment form. It was a university enrolment form. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-77719796493006675992012-10-18T01:10:31.147+01:002012-10-18T01:10:31.147+01:00What was the actual form about and title of the ca...What was the actual form about and title of the category? eg' state your ethnic origin'. <br /><br />If your question is genuine and not thinking aloud, in my opinion they dont make the effort to call us British because we fall under the the classic 'havent been colonised yet/perpetual foreigner' category.<br /><br />Whats interesting to note is the 'mixed' has 3 different categories. Gosh let's label the Chinese as one emnity but god forbid offending the precious british mixed race hybrids that we lovingly helped socially engineer.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-74299991918329521322012-10-17T21:22:26.175+01:002012-10-17T21:22:26.175+01:00It is also bizarre that the policy makers (whoever...It is also bizarre that the policy makers (whoever does these) are at pains to include every race under the sun as also possibly a Brit, but has no such consideration for us...normally these communities don't care much like ours don't, so why do they still make the effort to call them British, but not us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-36167313913919625892012-10-17T19:00:12.347+01:002012-10-17T19:00:12.347+01:00Haha nicely spotted. Its almost as if 'British...Haha nicely spotted. Its almost as if 'British Chinese' is an official umbrella term for 'Chinese in Britain'. Wouldnt surprise me if someone conducted interview asking the public if they can see any wrong terminology with that form, then when pointed out unaware dont know/care what a British Born Chinese is, nevermind taking the term'British Chinese' seriously.<br /><br />Course when majority of asleep BBCs and FOBS dont even make a tiny mouse-squeak of fuss about their own racial/ social identity, how can you expect the british public to?happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-17327011599264077762012-10-17T15:50:45.387+01:002012-10-17T15:50:45.387+01:00Sorry to derail the subject somewhat, but you know...Sorry to derail the subject somewhat, but you know what really irks me about being a BBC? This<br /><br />http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/221/britishchinese.png<br /><br />There was one for Pakistani/British Pakistani too. And also you can be mixed black, asian - but not chinese. I know it seems minor, the forms that no-one fills, but it really does reflect the mindset of how we are perceived in this country. That we have an absolute identity - we cannot be British Chinese. Much like the Germans of Turkish origin are always Turkish, not German.<br /><br />It isn't a numbers game either - looking at wikipedia, we have roughly the same population as the British Bangladeshi population. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-37315941013899832262012-10-17T06:25:54.108+01:002012-10-17T06:25:54.108+01:00From what Ive noticed, coming of age in a digital ...From what Ive noticed, coming of age in a digital age is that BBCs are less inclined to escape the lazy cypher-like culture and adopting 'Asian'consumer fad culture is just part of this instant access modernism. Also as you said Cantopop and HK cinema was 20 years ago meant having to wait for these events,in the digital age, build up to any 'events' are quickly announced and quickly consumed, plus the giving back of HK to China, rise of communist China,lack of young Chinese up and coming stars being promoted, no real Chinese movie rolemodels ( film stars dont count as artistic integrity washed out long ago) , has deadened any official cultural FOB culture that BBCs can be inspired by. This coombined with the fact that most British Chinese arent interested in sticking their neck out for anything other than earning and consuming, leads us to what we have today - perpetual cultural stagnation.happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-32777329191005311822012-10-15T01:28:11.939+01:002012-10-15T01:28:11.939+01:00Well, lets say that 'those' who choose to ...Well, lets say that 'those' who choose to seek out other Chinese 'in person' via the internet CAN do so, now whether they WILL or not is upto the individual, you have made it clear that you dont think they're doing that. Fair enough, thats your opinion.<br /><br />In the article, the last girl doesnt need to use the net to connect with Chinese because shes already on the ABACUS committee and is meeting lots of Chinese of her own age at her university in REAL LIFE.<br /><br />The white kpop issue has to be raised because BBCs even today are not developing a progressive unique BBC or Chinese culture, a lot of them are merely riding on current trends - i.e the Korean wave. Now, 20 years ago, you had the Cantonese wave, i.e Hong Kong cinema and cantopop, its been eclipsed by 'Asian' culture which is currently dominated by the Korean and Japanese. Of course the modern generation of non-Chinese Asiaphiles are also into this same brand of 'Asian' culture, so these BBCs dont necessarily need to seek out other Chinese, they can share their self-interested 'hobby' with White, Blacks Indians etc, since they're not developing Chinese culture anyway, why would they need to seek out other Chinese people? Indeed, this is one reason why I don't like 'Asian culture' nor 'pan-Asian culture,' it has a damaging effect on our identity. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-1479084224674938752012-10-14T22:26:28.149+01:002012-10-14T22:26:28.149+01:00BBCZeitgeist14 October 2012 15:11
That's the ...BBCZeitgeist14 October 2012 15:11<br /><br />That's the problem isn't it. Our people want to integrate so much into the white mainstream - even where we are tolerated, not taken as "one of their own" - it has crippled any sort of young movement that runs alongside race. I am drawing comparisons with other racial minorities here, and they have such a different outlook on things. Bonded by race and identity, British yet uniquely so.<br /><br />You are wrong on them being completed isolated 20 years ago part... indeed there was a BBC article about this way back, how "being connected to the world" is actually making us more lonely - 20 years ago with no internet the lone Chinese would physically seek out like minded people, even to the extent of upping sticks. Now they don't need to bother, they're "socialising" virtually - but those relationships are not strong, they aren't even real.<br /><br />They can still find white asianphiles and kpop fanatics to form relationships with... is that really how desperate we've become?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-63280167046819502522012-10-14T21:28:52.064+01:002012-10-14T21:28:52.064+01:00Today you can find BBCs taking an interest in kpop...Today you can find BBCs taking an interest in kpop or anime etc through an online experience in the form of blogs or fan groups, now you can call them loners, however they are still 'trying' to connect virtually with other people ( but of course a lot of them fail to connect because they're boring uninteresting people with nothing of interest to promote and no idea how to connect with an audience, if they want the glory for themselves as opposed to joining a community site, they bloody damn well better be different or interesting or they will fail), if successful their interest will be shared by other non-Chinese people who also share an interest in the same hobbies and interests as the BBC, do you think that was the case 15-20 years ago? 20 years ago, BBCs would be completely isolated in their loner 'hobby' world with no means of connecting with anyone regardless of their race. Now today even if the BBC is living isolated in a white area, they can still find White Asiaphiles and White kpop fanatics to form friendships and relationships with. That was not the case 20yrs ago. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-60121912019784510212012-10-14T15:11:20.373+01:002012-10-14T15:11:20.373+01:00In addition, todays BBCs are far more integrated i...In addition, todays BBCs are far more integrated into British Society than the dimsum generation ever were. They have far fewer problems forming friendships with non-chinese in school etc, now of course there are implications of thie integration, they are less likely to fight for a racial cause. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-601057663214569782012-10-14T15:07:09.694+01:002012-10-14T15:07:09.694+01:00I dont agree, the young BBC generation have far mo...I dont agree, the young BBC generation have far more opportunities to connect with other Chinese today than the previous generations of BBCs (including the dimsum generation) ever did. There are highly influential points, firstly electronic media and social media have enabled BBCs to connect with each other in ways other isolated BBCs could only have dreamt about in the past, indeed thats another reason for the downfall of dimsum, the next generation of BBCs dont need to use dimsum anymore, they can connect using other sites and other forms of media in more personal ways, now of course that will probably mean their connections are more personal rather than community based, so whether they are doing this constructively is another point altogether, I would say no, theyre not constructive at all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-9130177835712284192012-10-13T22:08:14.978+01:002012-10-13T22:08:14.978+01:00Good research. I have noticed this quite a bit - ...Good research. I have noticed this quite a bit - young ethnic Chinese born or brought up in the west, ultimately "on their own" and substituting a close social circle with things, thoughts or hobbies. And yes, it is disproportionately more common - noticeably so - amongst our demographic compared to others, who may run a blog as a spare time thing in conjunction with real life, rather than in place of it. <br /><br />On the whole, our people are lost. We don't have a minority identity like blacks or asians to attach ourselves to. And whilst we try our best to attach ourselves to white interests and social groups, the "outsider" feeling is always present. That's why many ethnic Chinese "turn white" by being with white men... they feel incredibly lost in their identity that for the next generation they just want it to go away - quite literally.<br /><br />Chinese parents who emigrate here really need to clue themselves more about this diaspora effect. Maybe it's the job of adult BBCs to teach them that. Becuase for a while now we've had 2nd generation ethnic Chinese who neither relate wholly to their "foreign" parents, whilst being socially shunned or at best, tolerated by the country that we should call our own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5323715030257037352.post-6822150844543600402012-10-13T10:06:51.632+01:002012-10-13T10:06:51.632+01:00Forgot to add, because my old comment got screwed ...Forgot to add, because my old comment got screwed by my firefox, that because of Chinese tradition we are taught to keep quiet, and just achieve our gold olympic medals in pain toleration, those who do attempt to speak out, or at least take the time to share our thoughts are often frowned upon by the masses. Add that to the uncritical achieve at all odds mentality that most Chinese have, its no wonder voices are dismissed. Another funny thing is To be proud to be Chinese basically means proud to be a FOB but many of those same FOBS are clueless/practicers of feigned ignorance when it comes to western sinophobia,so as far as i can see Chinese culture is leaning more and more towards racial identity, and less and less towards the traditional aspects. In other words, at some point we will all soon have to come to terms with racial identity ( and with that, accountability) whether we want to or not.<br /><br />happybritishchinesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353669029143692138noreply@blogger.com