Sunday 4 December 2011

Chinese And The World Of Classical Music

Part One: Cultural Aspirations Of China's Elite
In the world of western elitism, classical music is a bourgeois measure of expressing the pinnacle of western aspiration/sophistication – a practice nouveau riche Chinese FOBS are all too willing to embrace.

And thanks to an anonymous commentator below, part one of this article is made from a PLETHORA of delectable tasty tid-bits for your ever so sensitive taste buds as to the relevance of the social movement of Classical music in China.

For the main course, we have from  Lady Davies. who as the Guardian tells us,
" runs the British-based Kt Wong Foundation whose efforts have resulted in a Beijing production of Handel's Semele and will see a young Chinese-cast version of Britten's Noye's Fludde in Belfast as part of next year's Olympic celebrations. At the elite level of international music-making, Chinese players, conductors and composers have become part of the furniture, or in the case of pianist Lang Lang, a global phenomenon."
Well firstly r.e: Lady Linda Wong Davies,

As a high achieving female British Chinese, with a surname like that, you could be right to assume that she  married a white male partner, and that the absolutely delightful music that welcomes you on Lady Davies' website will make you want to claw your brain out...no wait don't open it ! no ! dont ! too late!!!!!www.ktwong.org,



'Ni Hao'



Goes on to explain a quote from Long Yu of  the guardian on the importance of classical music for China:
 "Of course economics, business and money are important. But we also need spiritual nourishment. For the past 30 years we have paid a lot of attention to the development of the economy. All over Asia, people are very good at business, but how we balance life and society is increasingly questioned. For me the music is like water and people are vases of all different shapes. The music is the same, but people's individual responses release their own imagination and creativity. And surely more imaginative and creative people are more useful within society and happier within themselves. So my job is to provide them with the very clearest water. What shape they then make of it is entirely up to them."
And who is Long Yu? Why, he is, as the Guardian tells us:
"...music director of three of China's most prestigious orchestras and was a co-founder of both the Beijing Music festival and the China Philharmonic Orchestra. Since it was founded in 2000 the CPO has toured extensively throughout China and played the first official concert in a church since the revolution – a performance of Mozart's Requiem to mark the composer's 250th anniversary – as well as playing in New York's Central Park and for the Pope at the Vatican: "He was very surprised when I spoke to him in German," chuckles the Berlin-educated Yu."
So there you have it. Chinese elitism in a bid to gain acceptance from western elites on the basis of their study thus embracing western classical music.

What does this say to you about the state of Chinese high culture ?


Part Two: Hapas and Classical Music


We also know how learning to master musical instruments from a young age has been a typical part of Chinese upbringing in its effort to show achievement. But what is unique about this video is not only the Hapa’s trained musical ability but an almost esoteric portrayal of the scientific mind of the west mixed with the machine-like industriousness of Chinese playing ability promoted and brought to new levels of exotic hype in the music industry.

With all the right connections in the media industry, these young classically trained musicians: Arianna Warsaw-Fan, presumably half-Jewish/ half Chinese heritage, and Meta Weiss who may or may not be Eurasian are both well-groomed wearing Far Eastern clothing, ready for the bourgeois limelight to help promote the idea of Eurasianism as 'clever and unique?'

We are already aware of the self important pompous attitude that Hapas have when it comes to using the facade of British Chinese 'representation' as self promotion, but what if British Chinese Hapa representation is a testing ground for part of a wider goal to depopulate Chinese by promoting bourgoeis mixed race idealism?

Does this really seem so unlikely in the East with so many Chinese women now finding their saviours in their White knight, and with what we know about Chinese males in the poorer areas of China forced to find wives on the border with Russian women or remain single, and the White advertising that still is promoted by foreign companies in China?

As a British Born Chinese and ethnic Chinese, whose media presence has already been made invisible by the overwhelming presence of Eurasians/Hapas, maybe this should be an issue that concerns you?

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  11. maybe you should just delete the past 10 comments, OP? Trolls are annoying, of whatever race.

    Yes, this is a long term strategy of white media to demean and make friendly the idea of white men and chinese/asian women, whilst completely and deliberately ostracising the chinese men populace - sometimes throwing them scraps if they're lucky. Indeed, it has and is still going on strongly - see here

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/22/china-nation-cold-hearts

    "But how can we possibly win respect and play the role of a world leader if this is a nation with 1.4 billion cold hearts?"


    An article written by a deluded, self hating Chinese woman, quick to listen to and adopt white stereotypes of her own people. Maybe she wants a visa, maybe the Guardian paid her a month's salary, who knows. The fact is - white media is DELIBERATELY selecting such pieces to publish that, gradually over decades, chip away at the social status of the Chinese compared to whites, as they arrogantly swagger at how even the Chinese themselves "hate themselves". Can one imagine what situation a white woman speaking crap about the white race due to the actions of a few would be in? Either locked up or ignored, is my guess. Or more likely, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Why? Because the white women realise that, even in a land of racists, paedophiles and idiots, they do not speak for herself. Unlike Lijia Zhang, who seems to have taken white stereotyping of the Chinese - her own race - with glee, and integrated that into her thought process.

    This would be less of an issue were it not so one sided. But go to Far east asia, Singapore, Taiwan, Japan and of course China... majority oriental countries, yet look at what gains top status in the adverts, media.... a white male model with an oriental woman model... not only is it emasculating to all the oriental men walking past, but it's traitorous to your entire people. Even in white countries, where the pervasiveness of the black man as the alpha male displacing white men, there are significant segments of society who do not accept the black man, or race, as top of the social ladder - the opposite in fact. But with white men in Asia, they are perceived by the local population as top of the status ladder. This needs to be changed drastically - the whitewashed Zhang did ask the right question - how can we possibly win respect? But instead of being self derorogatory, the real question should have been..

    ."how can we win respect if we cannot respect ourselves?"

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  12. ha nice to have self obsessed anonymous musician fans trolling the site. maybe even the girls themselves? free publicity dahling!

    well, at least it shows some interest in the article, despite the curious ( possibly self conscious?) mention of hitler and holocaust.

    i did check out that kickstarter page. doesn't mean anything if your doting relatives are the ones who are donating, it just becomes a novelty for the bourgoise to show off to friends.

    @anonymous 4th december . re that guardian article.' 1 billion cold hearts' as has been said before these uk newspapers are just media trolls when it comes to bashing china. agenda? no surely,with a statement like that it can be none other than good old honest british reporting!

    if a chinese woman wrote that article im sure it was edited and proof read . im not sure that even the biggest sellout chinese would write a phrase like ' 1 billion cold hearts' in describing her people.

    you know, on a different note, from a positive angle its obviously only a few of us who care about this stuff. as has been said before

    http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2011/11/hapas-fobs-and-agenda-to-socially.html

    bbcs really need to step up, rather than use this place as a griping forum. hence the invitation to write to the blog owner and arrange a meet up in person.

    the better chance we have of outshining the negative stuff and starting something fresh, for ourselves. but with the amount of anonymous comments,and stupid names, seems like we dont seem to think our bbc identity is worth taking seriously, anyway im almost done with my last remaining next few articles

    'how can we win respect if we cannot respect ourselves' exactly.

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  13. What would a bunch of disgruntled British Chinese men do with a meetup, exactly? What would have more influence is a single, or consortium of rich Chinese in the country or outside the Far East that could fund a media station startup... have a genuine Chinese voice for the community. It has worked extremely for other races, e.g. Sikhs have their own TV station (covered the London riots and the effect on their community) well. Some guys (and let's face it, until the selective representation of our race changes, most oriental women would be too whitewashed to give a shit/notice) talking in a pub won't make a jot of difference.

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  14. ^ Some ideas:

    - film some short documentaries
    - interview bbcs, actors, on their thoughts on political identity
    - contact other bbc artists and ask them to contribute to doc - graphic designers musicians, djs, actors, writers

    If nothing comes out of the first meeting, so what? you met some bbcs who actually want to do something for their community.


    Why do people always think big pots of money is the solution to everything. Its time, passion, and a bit of equipment. Which someone is bound to have, but then if you dont meet up, or even bother to contact the blog owner you wont know will you? Chinese people are supposed to resourceful.Arent we?

    The exact problem is in thinking that we have to be 'actors' or 'writers'of course that helps but these are just tools for self expression. If you really care about your identity you will find a way to say it. halfheartedly, gently, outspokenly, whatever your style, these are just expressions.

    As long as BBCS remain a bunch of online apathetic anonymous whingers of course nothings going to happen.

    How many times have you been asked to email the blog owner? Did you?How many people have been asked to write articles? How many people have offered to? Did they follow up? What does this general apathy say about BBCS in general?

    Either we are too scared or distrustful or still dipping our toes in the activist water, and still in turmoil over our confucian genetics but whatever the case may be, dont blame it on a bunch of disgrunted men or lack of funding.

    Without sounding too patronising, it's your own mindset you may need to examine first.

    I have to say one thing, no matter when complaining about hapas and fobs or whatever, at least they get stuff done, THAT much i have to commend.

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  15. They can be social events, they don't have to structurally set out to achieve anything, but incidently - the humble beginnings of 'a pub' is how many many political movements started. How often do you get the chance to discuss such issues in real life with other like-minded BBC's? Rarely ever I suspect.

    Lijia Zhang belongs on the yue yue china thread. FYI, Lijia Zhang represents the types of women that write on Dimsum, she's of that age, FOB, has a white partner and 2 mixed race daughters, these types of women such as Jung Chang, Xinran etc usually have had a history of conflict with China, its govt, its culture and its customs, its why they marry white men and relocate to the west, though many of them go back to China to report back to the west about China's domestic affairs like a treacherous spy.

    Back to the topic. Classical music is a representation of 'tripartitism' frequently discussed. One only needs to examine the excessive numbers of inter breeding and marriage in pursuit of classical music excellence under the guise of western hegemony.

    As the article says..."esoteric portrayal of the scientific mind of the west mixed with the machine-like industriousness of Chinese playing ability "

    Its as if they quite deliberately engage in conspicuous breeding - mixed race baby fetish to create this objective.

    There are a number of high profile mainstream examples - Eurasian Myleene Klass parents were also inter racial classical musicians, Vanessa Mae Nicholson- mixed race, Julian Lloyd Webber has a Eurasian child with Chinese female classical musician Jiaxin Cheng who is 23 years his junior, YoYo Ma is married to a White German language professor - more Eurasian children...and on and on and on it goes....

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  16. I think there is a similar thing going on in the visual arts aswell not just in Classical music... artworks that question the "chinese" way of life, traditions or Maoist politics are elevated as noble outsiders who are respectful of "western discourse". This of course is a BIG topic perhaps for a future blog.
    It is no coincidence that Ai Weiwei is given the respect and publicity in west (considered as the most important artist as the mo by the western arts press !?!?!! why ?) when there are other artists equally talented BUT express different realities.

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  17. ^ Right, there seems to be a western focus on subverting Chinese art as a way to demonise its politics' eg: criticizing free speech.

    Anyway, thats China, stubborn to the last. Recently I heard more talk from the gov about pushing Chinese culture, and cutting back on tv adverts. But I guess as is always the case with new happenings re: China it's 'we'll see'.

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  18. @bbcz yup its the old elevation of hapas to represent as the perfect ideal. racial extinction made beautiful and glamourous.

    its the unnattainable hapa idealism that we all want to buy, gosh if only i could. Hapas are so multitalented and beautiful to look at. Im so jealous. Why cant I be happy with who i am? It's just too depressing to think about...I mean lets face it. BBCs have no media representation...we are unwanted in a western society...gosh id kill to be accepted and loved and adored by the chinese hi class west worshippers and the western elite. Why oh why cant i be white even half white for a day please...please....lifes just so unfair. I hate this chinese skin. Someone pass me the skincream ...and these eyes I need them operating on. I just want white people to love me...WHY LORD WHY

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  19. haha

    Going back to the discussion. Another reason why western classical music is held in such high esteem among Chinese is because its inextricable link with educational attainment. Due to globalisation, there is almost an international standardisation of education, where music is taught its taught by western standards an theory, it forces an entire Chinese nation to learn and appreciate western music.

    In Hong Kong, its ironic that the two most popular subjects that are taught in private learning extra-curricular centers are music and English language, in effect HK Chinese parents are only willing to fork out money for a private education for their kids to learn how to be western.

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  20. How to solve the problem? Chinese Governments should consider developing a curriculum based on their own Chinese culture and remove western classical music from the educational curriculum and replace it with learning Chinese instruments i.e erhu etc.

    If western music is to be taught, there should be Zero educational points awarded or attained from studying the subject. As Chinese parents are only interested in educational attainment and grades, there will be zero value from studying classical music, therefore they will opt out of studying it.

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  21. Daniel York writes-

    Does “Hughie Tse” mean THESE three questions-

    “We are already aware of the self important pompous attitude that Hapas have when it comes to using the facade of British Chinese 'representation' as self promotion, but what if British Chinese Hapa representation is a testing ground for part of a wider goal to depopulate Chinese by promoting bourgoisis mixed race idealism?”

    Who’s making this grand plan exactly? Is there some inner “star chamber” formulating this scheme to wipe out the “pure” Chinese race?

    Whilst I would agree that in general the West seems highly unwilling to give people of Chinese descent a place in the cultural and political landscape a lot of the views expressed on this site are reminiscent of organisations like the BNP with their obsession with a certain race being “wiped out” by depurification.

    It’s a bit sinister, chaps.

    “Does this really seem so unlikely in the East with so many Chinese women now finding their saviours in their white knight, and with what we know about Chinese males in the poorer areas of China forced to find wives on the border with Russian women or remain single, and the white advertising that still is promoted by foreign companies in China?”

    Whilst there’s no denying there IS a number of East Asian females who see marriage with white man as a meal ticket and a passport to some rose tinted life of bliss in an English countryside cottage this is not mutually exclusive. People say similar things about women from Eastern Europe and many other places. Despite China’s economic dominance the age old view of the West as the land of affluence still prevails. There will always be an element that longs for something “exotic”. But this is by no means the majority. When I walk the streets of Shanghai, Hong Kong or Singapore the vast majority of couples are Chinese. Likewise even in London Chinatown.

    On the second question there’s a well documented lack of women in the rural areas of China but I don’t think they’re all marrying white men. And again, it’s no one’s “plan”.

    “As a British Born Chinese and as ethnic Chinese, whose media presence has already been made invisible by the overwhelming presence of Eurasians/ Hapas maybe this could an issue that could concern you?”

    How so? Are you suggesting that “Hapas” keep quiet or disappear so they no longer “eclipse” you? Happy, you wrote satirically above about longing to be white, to have round eyes etc. Would you prefer it if people of mixed race did indeed behave like white people and not speak up on “Chinese issues” at all? Would you not then accuse them of being “sell outs” who are ashamed of and have no interest in their Chinese heritage?

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  22. 'HK Chinese parents are only willing to fork out money for a private education for their kids to learn how to be western'

    In all the time that HK was modernised why wasnt this done earlier? Because Chinese are too lazy.

    Even now that its got closer ties to China than ever why still not implement the Chinese instruments? Because noone's interested.

    Chinese in the west want western lifestyle and those in the East want to be seen as western. When theres no incentive to implement Chinese musical instruments - ie social acceptance, or monetary reward, a career in using them or combining them with western or modern instrumentation would require independent innovation.

    Problem is people dont want to innovate because its easier nowadays to do things at the press at the button.

    Convenience has made it easier to get results therefore less work is required. Why bother reinventing the wheel?

    But this is the point. Innovation IS hard work.And in a world increasily where the comfort and money is the objective, I cant see it happening. Chinese people are not known for innovation. We are too practical. All this talk on culture and all the films produced are just propaganda, even HK spirit is gone from most HK film productions.eg Tsui Hark used to be brilliant. Now Its just about pleasing China,and thanks for the paycheque.

    To discourse from the topic of music in favour of film, In some ways id say the innovation in HK film of the 80s was just accidental. I mean the actors/directors of this time are so talented, but the demand, the times, were so different then, none of this convenience of watching online or downloading.

    Now we have the opposite - all convenience and no talent, resulting in all round laziness.


    In a modern society where we have

    - convenience via technology
    - cheap fast availability
    - people are lazier

    Honestly It takes real discipline and perseverence to innovate. In the west most innovators are equivalent to penniless artists. day in day out doing their day jobs. Do you know any Chinese like this ? Apart from the entrepreneurs who use the word 'innovation' to replace 'untapped business opportunity'

    Look at this guy here:

    http://www.neehao.co.uk/2011/11/defining-the-chinese-dream/

    He talks a great talk, but at the end of the article, he hasnt said anything. Its just fluff. Replace the word 'Chinese' for 'American' and you just get some rehash of what's been done before. And not to bash the guy, but hes a frigging UK solicitor. I dont need to hear stuff like that from a solicitor I need to hear it from someone who is a visionary. Hell id even say the Chinese steve jobs. Id say the guy who owns Alibaba but all these companies are just 'Chinese versions of'

    Bottom line is that , and funnily enough , like our own BBC community, if Chinese are too lazy to develop their own culture then we will not develop. You cant become no 1 by just copying others. I cant see it changing. Its not within Chinese nature to go against the grain. Its within our nature to look for other people to lead the way whilst we profit from it.

    Chinese gov who flap on about culture and all this big talk but at end of day are just using it as an excuse to control the purse-strings.

    Chinese are just too lazy in all ways. Unless its being accepted by white standards bringing more western prestige or acceptance...then we work our arse off for it. New Chinese culture? I'll believe it when I see it.

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  23. Sorry to rock the boat, Yellow earth theatre cronies, ironically try and put Chinese opera and fan waving skills on the agenda, what’s wrong with that? It is not a way to educate the west stealthily about Chinese opera by these ornate wispy dance movements. Everybody’s Kung fu fighting those moves were fast as lighting...

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  24. ^ Yeah its another 'East Asian' representation, normally carried out by the fobs but now HAPA artists are getting in on that too. Its called 'Orientalisation'. It reinforces our perpetual foreign-ness

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  25. KTWONG FOUNDATION' issues a statement of intent....

    "The Foundation’s core aim is to build bridges between China and the wider world through innovative cross-cultural collaboration in arts and education (...under western hegemony...AND MARRIAGE AND BREEDING TOO! DON'T FORGET MARRIAGE AND BREEDING)!, to enhance mutual cooperation and understanding as China further integrates with the international community."

    Oh how original, yet another bourgeois elitist cross cultural white-Chinese organisation representing tripartism under the guise of western hegemony!

    Handel's Semele is explained here in a NY Times interview...

    "Lady Linda Wong Davies, opera patron of London-based KTWONG Foundation brought the production here for the annual Beijing Music Festival, said HER GOAL WAS TO EXPOSE CHINESE AUDIENCES TO WESTERN STYLE OPERA and to build bridges between China and the rest of the world."

    In other words, her motive is to westernise Chinese, to erode Chinese culture, to infiltrate China with western culture and to sell western culture to the Chinese. THAT is the role of the KTWong Foundation, hardly surprising from the daughter of a multimillionaire formerly married to TORY Party treasurer Sir David Davies.

    I'm surprised Dimsum.co.uk hasn't yet plugged the foundation! It fulfils the website's white licking agenda and criteria!

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  26. Nice research. LOL at Dimsum. Don't encourage them, if theyre reading this might give them more ideas.

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  27. @Daniel York - im only going to reply this once because for some reason I didnt notice your post before addressed at me. No doubt youre going to rebuke and hopefully this article is going to end up with 4000 comments, 3970 from you.

    But Im going to address you, once only, because you are someone who cant seem to read articles properly:

    http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2011/11/hapas-fobs-and-agenda-to-socially.html

    What part of 'rendered invisible' cant you seem to understand?

    As long as you, as an actor play the hapa representing game ( read: as long as you remain an actor in the UK) , BBCS will never get noticed because YOU and your ILK ( yellow earth ) are representing all British Chinese.

    Ive said on a post before - BBCS NEED TO GET AN OPEN INVITATION.

    Which means even though there may not be enough actors or writers representing , we are still people with opinions and voices. SO ASK US. But thanks to the agenda set up already explained in the above article OUR voices have been made media impotent. this has been going on since the 80s, maybe since the term British Born Chinese was invented!

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  28. Does that make me jealous? Does it crap. I told once before this is not a PERSONAL vendetta against you, and if you read the damn article
    properly

    http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2011/11/hapas-fobs-and-agenda-to-socially.html


    you will know that you as an actor of eurasian origin, whether you like it or not, or know or not, or care or not are being USED in the western media to make us invisible.

    Yellow Earth , need we say more? Instant Hapa heaven.Just add orientalisms.

    Stop trying to understand us 'outcasts' Daniel York, because if you did you would have read this blog properly. And i dont mean to say that in a self pitying way for me, im talking about understanding the BBC CULTURAL IDENTITY. Or as some may note, the current lack of one.

    I have no issue with you as an individual but i have an issue with that fact that BBCS as a group,

    for the price of being brought up on this comfortable little island,

    have been historically weaned on a glut of insinous self hate and indifference and lack of media role model guidance,

    with only out of touch pragmatic familial Chinese 'get on with working harder and forget representation'

    conservatism to ignore issues like this, until we grow up and realise that we are different and will

    probably never fit in because we dont have our own BBC CULTURE


    You are a HAPA mercenary and you dont understand and you will NEVER understand what its like to grow up to hate

    your own kind and be brainwashed to think that white is right.

    And yes I know HAPAS get their own little ' am i chinese? am i white' saga but seriously, please dont even begin to compare it to what we have had to go through and will continue to go through.


    BBC identity doesnt even have a face or identity yet, and here you are trying to make out you are helping it.

    Re: representing British Chinese. Just remember, whenever you do it, as long as you are an actor, representing British Chinese you are being used for a purpose. ie to render US LOT invisible

    If you still think im being racist, just imagine : instead of the top 30 Celebs being mixed race, that they are all BBC. Suddenly at say no. 30 there is a eurasian. You know what? it wouldnt be a big deal. Because those who are representing western born Chinese ARE 100% Chinese.

    Historically through 80s and 90s hapas have gotten the limelight all the time because it suits the western agenda. And if your acting is shite - even better. means you can make takeaway the musical no 7 and the ignorant masses will still be screaming for more

    If you only knew how the racist media is playing against us you wouldnt come up with these STUPID comments.

    But you do. Why? Because youre a hapa actor tool and you are part of the establishment.

    You clearly cannot relate to the struggle for a BBC cultural identity otherwise you wouldnt bombard with thoughtless posts. So don't bother.

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  29. I agree that there aren't enough Asian role models in films or in politics--but when you talk about purity of the race ("those who are representing western born Chinese ARE 100% Chinese") you sound like the KKK. Or like the Death Eaters in Harry Potter. As a fully Asian individual (half Chinese, half Korean), I feel like your intolerance represents Asians poorly. Most "white" races aren't 100% pure at this point, either, and the fact that you're Chinese and not white doesn't make what you're saying any less bigoted.

    The relatively few white and hapa people who go on to become wildly famous aren't really at fault--and if you feel like the Chinese race is being overshadowed then maybe you should work on promoting potential "full" Chinese stars instead of knocking people who are just trying to make their way in the world.

    It's great for Daniel York, Arianna Warsaw-Fan, and Meta Weiss that they're accomplished. But just to remind you, Yo-yo Ma is much more famous than any of them and he's of full Chinese descent.

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  30. ^^ Haha we get an anonymous comment from a troll

    Well where to start?

    1.If you are half Chinese Korean I dont believe you are representing asians fairly, because if you WERE your whole comment wouldnt just represent hapas.

    So to me you are either LYING about your half Chinese Korean heritage in order to defend your hapa are argument, or you are basically a really whitewashed sellout. My guess is its the former, because if you really were asian you wouldnt give a shit about british hapa whoring.

    2. The fact that you are using Yo Yo Ma just explains how you defend the whitewash argument. Yo Yo ma is a classically trained robot that represents everything wrong with hi-Chinese culture. Typical of a pressured chinese childhood to 'do well' hes just a pure technician and ultimate representative of FOBBY western elitist aspirations.

    Course i dont think you have the slightest idea what im going on about and just label me KKK as a weak attempt at reverse argument what is basically the spirit of Chinese pride.

    If you want to fight back, fire away, ill smash your trolling into 100 fragments but if you start to evade the central issue and talk around it like other hapas, then the blog owner will soon delete you.

    This is a BBC blog fighting for ethnically Chinese BBC cultural representation. We welcome others who contest our opinions but not trolls who just want to push elitist agendas and opinions. Be warned.

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  31. Being compared to Adolf or the KKK is quite mild, but being compared to death eaters in Harry Potter! What an insult! that's too much! How dare you!

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  32. Mixed race do the following repeatedly...

    1. Find a Chinese platform (e.g this blog is a Chinese platform).
    2. Ignore the BBC perspective entirely on the Chinese platform and divert the issues to self-promote their own mixed race selves/interests/angles at every opportunity and...
    4. Talk about how discriminated mixed race (or general EA) are.

    Even these quotes epitomise the irrelevant angles from which they post from...

    "'ASIAN' role models?"
    "your intolerance represents 'ASIANS' poorly?"

    Let me make it clear, this is a BBC ETHNIC CHINESE blog, NOT an Asian blog, it does not represent 'Asians' i.e Jap's, Koreans, Filipinos, Thai etc nor 'mixed race.' It states this quite clearly in my profile and the title at the top of the blog. There are NO references to being 'Asian' nor 'British East Asian.'

    I have NEVER in my life called myself 'Asian' nor 'East Asian.' I'm NOT here to represent BEA, Asian nor Mixed race interests- I'm only interested in their impact upon the lives of BBC's and ethnic Chinese.

    I have never in my life watched any 'Asian' dramas (as in Viet, Thai, Korean, Jap's etc), I only watch Cantonese TVB and the occasional Chinese drama. I do not listen to 'Yeah Yeah Yeah's' because its lead singer is 'Asian' nor buy a CD by mixed race Eurasian Myleene Klass. If China are out of the world cup, I do not then start supporting other non-Chinese Asian teams such as Japan or South Korea.

    If you're a promoter of acts (trying to make money) however, then I can understand why you are pan-Asian, it expands your market and brings in more money. But this is not a promotional commercial blog but an independent non-commercial blog that does not rely on advertising nor engage in endorsement and is under no obligation to represent EA. If you're looking for promotional websites that have promotional adverts thinly disguised as articles, may I suggest Dimsum, Neehao etc.

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  33. Edison's IT teacher12 December 2011 at 17:07

    As to Daniel york remark "Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us ah hah ah?"
    Listen to what HappyBC and BBCz have said and if you disagree fine, but don't undermine BBCs with your pathetic brand of self promoting narcissistic propaganda or others of the same ilk create sinister spin i.e to make this blog and BBCs voices by associating it with adolf and masked pillow case people (poor acting) or even worse Death Eaters in Harry Potter, oh man now that's taken it to the extreme. Look I have nothing against Eurasians or any race or mix, other than their agenda to drown BBCs expressions and representation.


    But my main point is this @BBCz and BBCHappyBc last comments ^^which are some of best comments I have read concerning the “BBC” condition. I can sense HappyBC's well expressed passion and BBCz well defended retorts, which I can not do better.
    If there is a more relevant voice FOR the BBCs, FROM the BBCs, there it is, in a nutshell for all of you see.
    I can say this because I am also a BBC maybe of similar experience, when you strip away all the bullsh.t and feel it for real, that's when you know you are onto something.

    hock yeah @Daniel et al

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  34. death eaters r kinda cool!

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  35. "BBCZeitgeist said...
    How to solve the problem? Chinese Governments should consider developing a curriculum based on their own Chinese culture and remove western classical music from the educational curriculum and replace it with learning Chinese instruments i.e erhu etc. "


    The problem is that white influences are so intrinsic in the world today, it is impossible to do without being "restrictive", which the kids are only too aware of nowadays. Back when China was actually a world leader and the whites were still fighting each other for fun, Chinese culture simply did not have enough influence to affect white countries' own... it was seen as distinct and recognised, sure... but kept seperate from the native white cultures.

    Of course there was no internet, media back then. Children were taught by the teacher and their parents alone, no-one else. The time to create a race's own unique brand identity is over, because mass modern media will no doubt "make it white" by default

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  36. Daniel York writes-

    @ Edison's IT teacher.

    The reason your heroes are being "undermined" is that thir arguments don't stack up to a hill of beans.

    "BBC'S NEED AN OPEN INVITATION"

    From who and to do what?

    "If you still think im being racist, just imagine : instead of the top 30 Celebs being mixed race, that they are all BBC. Suddenly at say no. 30 there is a eurasian. You know what? it wouldnt be a big deal. Because those who are representing western born Chinese ARE 100% Chinese. "

    Are you actually proposing there should be a pecking order based on racial purity?

    What "narcissistic self promotion"? They were all bitching about me without the facts, I told the truth. Why do you all start crying and deleting posts whenever someone disagrees with you?

    Here's some facts that aren't about me-

    Yellow Earth no longer receieve any government grants (ever since a Eurasian took over actually).

    Neither does Veronica Needa.

    NO ONE thinks of Alexa Chung and Gok Wan as being "spokepersons" for the British Chinese "community". In fact the only people you COULD say that about are Yellow Earth.

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  37. @Daniel
    Thank you for voicing Your comments and making your personal points, I have nothing against you, your right to reply is respected, just like anyone else.

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  38. @Edisons IT Teacher - thanks for the solidarity, once again.

    @anonymous 4:02 I know your addressing BBCz but if i may address this also-'The time to create a race's own unique brand identity is over, because mass modern media will no doubt "make it white" by default '

    Yeah thats kind of what I wrote above,agreed, it will take a hugh timecapsule leap for China to develop an amazing soft culture brand , something the world hasnt seen yet. But I have to give credit to the CCP for one thing: they do a good job of standing against western imperialism, which once has stopped barking like a little greedy child, once this world has a bit of peace, then maybe, just maybe...new things will blossom. Yeah i know its a 'we'll see' statement, but hell, when you dont know the future, its best to stay optimistic rather than pessimistic , because either way we have no idea. Anyway...back to BBC politics..

    @Daniel York. You just dont give up do you? When I say BBCS need an open invitation, I mean from the grant grabbers - I has anyone OFFERED anyone from the BBC community to take over yellow earth? has anyone offered us oodles of grants to film us and ask us what its like to be British Born Chinese? Or write about our real experiences - not the arsekissing tripe that the 'British Chinese Arts Community' is used to? The only thing i saw recently on the BBC forum online was 2 things: 1/ some 'study' from Reading University asking about what its like to be British Chinese - 'study' as we are some kind of labrat and 2/ some anonymous university student doing his exam piece. Then there was the yellow earth invitation...well that went quiet didnt it? Scripts written by HAPAS or FOBS or white middle class males? gosh how exotic!reciting shakespeare? Now THERES an institution worthy of BBC representation

    -'Are you actually proposing there should be a pecking order based on racial purity?'

    When it comes to British Chinese in the UK? YES: IT SHOULD BE 100% ETHNIC BRITISH BORN CHINESE AT THE TOP OF THE PECKING ORDER.FULLSTOP No questions asked.

    -Yellow Earth - whether they are represented by HAPAS or FOBS its still an ugly institution that misrepresents British Chinese which as BBCz before no selfrespecting ethnic Chinese would or should take any interest in. In fact the whole of the British Chinese community 'arts' section should be torn down and burnt. Its a needless orientalising eyesore and waste of taxpayers ( including BBCS) money.

    -Alexa Chung and Gok Wan are HAPAS. They have been institutionalised as being ethnically Chinese. They also happen to be british. If it hasnt been outright said that they are 'spokespersons' then its INSINUATED that they are british chinese simply because the real british 100%ethnic Chinese in Britain ie BBCS are non-existant in british media

    Honestly talking to you is a waste of space. You are the establishment therefore none of this talk of exclusion effects you.

    Daniel York , please, no disrespect but F off and leave this blog alone. I know you're a failed actor without a fanbase but please, you wont find an appreciative audience here.

    Leave us BBCS alone to whine in peace. Its up to us,when the time is right, to consciously and honestly change the way we see ourselves in the media when clearly noone in the 'british chinese arts' has never given and probably will never give much of a shit

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  39. @13 Anonymous December 2011 16:18

    ' @Daniel
    Thank you for voicing Your comments and making your personal points, I have nothing against you, your right to reply is respected, just like anyone else.'

    Thank you for contributing absolutely nothing of worth to this discussion except anonymous empty praise. Now go run back to your HAPA fan club, theres a good chap.

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  40. Daniel York writes-

    @bitterbritishchinese

    LOL

    Hap? Is that the best you can manage? "F off"?

    Let's get this straight. I don't come here for an "audience". I came here initially because I was told BBCZ started writing things about me which just aren't true. I stayed for a bit and then did indeed "F off". I came back because he accused me of "trolling" and I saw there was a whole load of other nasty and completely false stuff about me.

    As for my being a "failure". Don't make me laugh. What have YOU ever managed to do, Hap? Seriously? I guess we'll never know, will we? But it shows again your complete ignorance about difference between an "actor" and a "celebrity". You need to make your mind up-either I'm the "establishment" and I'm personally making you "invisible" or I'm a "failure". Get your story straight.

    Anyway here's some responses to your little tirade-

    "When I say BBCS need an open invitation, I mean from the grant grabbers - I has anyone OFFERED anyone from the BBC community to take over yellow earth?"

    YES!!! They were set up and run for 15 years by David Tse who is 100% British born Chinese. When he left they were run by Jonothan Man who is also 100% British born Chinese. Once the "hapa" took over their grant was cut.

    Yes, they're awful. But they were supposed to provide a platform for "East Asian" performers. It was NEVER in their manifesto or part of their funding to solely represent British born Chinese. David Tse got himself into that position by appearing on programmes like Newsnight to talk about the UK Chinese community's reaction to the Tibetan protests during the Olympics.

    "has anyone offered us oodles of grants to film us and ask us what its like to be British Born Chinese?"

    Whose had "oodles of grants"? Only Yellow Earth maybe but that isn't the case any more.

    "-Alexa Chung and Gok Wan are HAPAS. They have been institutionalised as being ethnically Chinese. They also happen to be british. If it hasnt been outright said that they are 'spokespersons' then its INSINUATED that they are british chinese simply because the real british 100%ethnic Chinese in Britain ie BBCS are non-existant in british media"

    Alexa Chung is a glamour chick and TV presenter.

    Gok Wan is a camp fashionista.

    No one gives a hoot about what they have to say about being "Chinese". All they've done is be there and occasionally talk about their lineage. Are you suggesting they shouldn't do either?

    "When it comes to British Chinese in the UK? YES: IT SHOULD BE 100% ETHNIC BRITISH BORN CHINESE AT THE TOP OF THE PECKING ORDER.FULLSTOP No questions asked."

    So now he says it. So the rest of us dirty little mongrels are some lower form of life? We supposed to drop down the ladder in order to satisfy your antidiluvean notions of racial superiority? This is shameful stuff.

    I see you're fond of satire as evidenced below-

    "hapas being discriminated against. oh woe is me. someone pass me a tissue, lifes just so unfair for us failed performers....now pass me the government grant, please."

    Here's some satire for YOU, Hap-

    "Boo hoo...I'm invisible...it's all the fault of those horrible hapas...they're in league with the government, you know...they got all the non existent grant money that I didn't apply for...Alexa Chung's eclipsed me...woe is me..."

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  41. Nishichougangmen.

    who cares, elites have never controlled Chinese culture hard as they may try

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  42. Back and forth. The hapa trolls and the bbc addresses. Quite nauseating . Here we go again:

    'audience' - noones written anything about you, as usual, if check the above , noones missed you. You just , as usual need a weak excuse to get attention again. on a british born chinese website that hates hapa representation. go figure.

    'failure' - if youre an actor success, again why bother trolling this blog? if this site believes like in the original article that eurasian hapa actors have been used to falsely portray british chinese in an insidious plan to make bbcs invisible and yet still 'represented', thats also up to to us to believe. you trolling here wont make one iota of difference that that opinion.

    'invitation' - the british chinese arts, and british chinese representation in the media is a complete shithole. as the original article says for the last 30 years whilst you eurasian failed actors milked the british chinese identity for all its worth, fobs orientalised...the whole thing as i said needs to be burnt down to the ground and trashed. its done NOTHING for british born chinese OR british chinese. i take back what i said about invitation, with that kind of corruption in the british chinese arts community , you can keep it.

    'gok wan alexa chung' - ive answered you already. british chinese in the media should be british BORN chinese, 100% ethnic chinese end of. born of 100% chinese pride, you wouldnt understand.

    'satire' - yeah funny. now stop trolling this bbc blog and go make some more shakespeare.

    back again to troll some more already? hapa days are here again!

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  43. Oh man some of the slating is well funny. I agree, Daniel likes to flood and extend his comments as to drown other people (BBC) voices... nothing new then. When he goes off on one, it s quite funny, he gets his facts wrong awell and tries to bring other people in to blur the argument, sneaky or what.

    Superb blogs, am entertained

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  44. http://www.rayallychina.com/

    blog of white media executive living in china , with chinese wife and hapa baby.


    scroll 1/3 down and you can see him proudly showing off his opium poppy, his chinese wife, typically clueless, doesnt give a shit. As long as she has her collection of gucci bags and hapa baby why should she?

    So there you have it, FOB chinese woman happily married with hapa child to white imperialist racist.

    Chinese hi culture bourgoisis lifestyle at its finest.

    This is the mentality of FOBs and huge gap in Chinese culture that needs to be fixed by having more self-respect for our own culture.

    And as long as Chinese dont stand up for our own culture, this is how the west will continue to view us.

    Chinese need to be more aggressive about our pride but as long as we remain apathetic we may as well be labelled along with the other sellouts.

    @anonymous

    'who cares, elites have never controlled Chinese culture hard as they may try'

    ^ The problem with that kind of arrogant attitude is that if you read the article properly, Chinese hi culture WANTS to become like the elites. Its only a matter of time before you become what you imitate.

    Really sad, that its gotten to the point of standing up for Chinese pride is almost a taboo subject that has to be discussed on this blog with anonymous names with noone bothering to get a google ID or contacting the blog owner to arrange a meeting in person. Really sad.

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