Tuesday, 7 February 2012

Gok's Teens The Naked Truth

Gok Wan TV makeover shows - 'How to Look Good Naked' and 'Gok's Fashion Fix,' may have popularised catchphrases "You Go Girlfriend," "Gok Shock," "Fairy Gokmother and "Bangers," but there is one phrase that Gok Wan uses far more frequently, a phrase he is unlikely to be heard saying on his current Television series (Tuesday 14th February 2012) Channel 4 Gok's Teens: The Naked Truth...  
Gok Wan 'Chink' phrase is tweeted ad infinitum on his Twitter account. Such a derogatory racial term that was once the preserve of the non-Chinese community to abuse Chinese...is now used by many BBC's (especially the BBCs from the North of the UK), Mixed race Chinese Eurasian's themselves. When you amalgamate the crassness of northern British Born Chinese with self-deprecating mixed race Eurasians, you have the worst  possible outcome in the form of Gok Wan.

However, there are differences in terms of its usage. Generally, mixed race have fewer scruples in its usage in comparison to BBC's (except those from the North). Typically, British Mixed Race Chinese are alienated from their Chinese roots, Chinese language, Chinese culture and indeed alienated from other Chinese people, the Chinese part of their identity is reduced to the following...
  1.  Remnants of genetic mongoloid physical features, i.e their 'eyes,' (hence casual use of term 'Chinky eyes' http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2011/04/sexy-racism.html
  2. Anti-Chinese derogatory phrases and stereotypes tossed up by non-Chinese people (i.e white's) around them, hence the term 'Chink' or 'Chinky' is picked up as a meme and imprinted in their vocabulary for repetition.
Despite claims by British Mixed Race Chinese that they are 'proud of being Chinese,' most are too white washed to have any concept of 'Chineseness,' rather the phrase "I'm proud of my Chinese heritage" is used by Mixed race for self-assurance, to reassure themselves that being of mixed heritage or having some Chinese blood is not negative, or to prove themselves, Gok Wan if probed for his continued inappropriate use of the word Chink as a derogatory disrespectful racial slur towards Chinese...will undoubtedly respond with the following...
 "I'm proud of my Chinese heritage."
For BBC's, the use of the term chink or chinky as a meme is the result of racial abuse or inhabiting social circles that are non-Chinese where the term is liberally used and never questioned, the term chink is brought back into Chinese social circles. Some BBC's can be heard saying..."I work in a chinky.'

Is Gok Wan chink or chinky term progressive?

There is a train of thought that believes Chinese people should adopt these racial terms of abuse created by whites...(in the same way that Blacks have adopted the N-word), or in the same way the term FOB has been adopted by the Chinese communities, that Chinese can now own the word  (or partly own the word) as part of their ethnic vocabulary, in effect to have the term taken away from whites, thus scuppering whites exclusive use of the term to subjugate Chinese, OR... is the term 'chink' never progressive as it simply reinforces the subjugation of Chinese people as low, inferior, cheap, subspecies etc, isn't that precisely what the white man wants and the reason why he wants such a term removed from the conventions of political correctness? Have your say, post your comments below.
(Channel 4 Gok's Teens: The Naked Truth, starts 8pm, Tuesday 14th February 2012)

71 comments:

  1. look on the bright side, gok wan gay he won't reproduce any children.

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  2. Northern England? I live in Leeds and do we bugger find it acceptable!

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    1. the english are pieces of excrement. the white brits detest asians, or shall i say east asians?? but you bbc find it cool to be called derogatory names. fuck all of you. you bbc's won't stand up for yourselves or protest against racial and physical abuse from your dearly beloved, only because you worship those low life anglos. fuck your mothers.

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  3. I had a thought. If John Terry was fired and is going for a TRIAL for 'racist speech' (which tbh I'm not sure if it is) then why not go after Gok?

    Though tbh its a matter of words vs what is behind them. In that it dependends upon motivation and or menance.

    Real racism is the shit out parents faced when they had to FIGHT for their lives running their shops. While these are merely words.

    Can they really be considered in the same context? In that saying oh this is racism tends to devalue the REAL stuff that people have gone through.

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    1. casual racism - its the same thing. on a tweet or some bunch of yoof pulling their eyes and doing stupid facial expressions at your parents before they smash everything up

      in the case of gok wan, its even considered cool being so casually tweeted. if BBCS had a more solid cultural identity, we wouldnt be having this 'is it or isnt it racist ' discussions. the fact we have to even ask if its racist just shows how unaware some of us are.

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    2. Real racism is still here today in UK. Delivery driver Simon San's murder is perhaps the highest profile case of a racist Chinese murder in the UK, that was very recent, Simon San was murdered because he was Chinese, not because he was a FOB, it could have quite easily been a BBC doing the Chinese take away deliveries.

      John Terry is white, its perceived as white on black racism, but Gok Wan is mixed race Eurasian, Mixed race Eurasian on Chinese racism? Doesn't quite work does it? Mixed race Eurasians think they can legitimately call Chinese chinks just because they have some Chinese blood in them, even though they're not ethnic Chinese.

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  4. Re: Gok Wan , as you say we shouldn't expect any less from eurasians to use casual racist slurs on their twitter account, but that is one of problems that goes back to hapas and eurasian performers exclusively representing british chinese in british media. they are allowed to get away with such phrasing, and the clueless think its 'cool'. course when this blog points out the adulation of hapas in the media, people call us racist.

    in embracing the ice-cream joy of multiculturalism modern BBC generation end up defending all races, blacks, whites, hapas... and any culture that BBCS have left is completely lame because they are so 'accepting' of every other damn race that developing our own is the last thing that is on people's minds. unless it's jumping on the asian american bandwagon without developing our own culture of course.

    speaking of which:

    http://www.usaprojects.org/project/chink

    that is a US asian american film that just received its crowdfunding - about a geek turned serial killer, and the actor is funnily enough british chinese hapa, jason tobin. whose done various hk films eg house of fury, rob b hood.

    see what BBCS dont understand - before they do celebrate asian american culture - is they have to understand cultural politics. right now on the blogs, theres uproar as to the use of its title to attract attention, and exactly the point this article makes, that either casual self depreciating hapas or self hating apologists sensationalise the use of the word to be controversial and sell tickets.

    ive no idea as to the quality of 'chink', but there are better ways to develop culture than be self degrading. if anything this is cultural backwardsness and exactly what white western media want. gok wan for all his fame and money isnt publicly known as a self hating queen for nothing. he gets what he wants,racist british media get what its wants, and all at the expense of bbc cultural identity.

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    1. Absolutely, which is another reason why we shouldn't consider Eurasian's in general to be Chinese, they're a different ethnicity. Pretty much all the examples of the word 'Chink' or 'Chinky' used to entertain white audiences have been made by Eurasian's.

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    2. I don't understand what this Asian American bandwagon is.

      I myself, a BBC, much closely relate myself to Asian Americans than I do to any BBC, and as much as this blog talks about BBCs carving out an identity for themselves, it fails at the most important thing, to define what a BBC should be.

      I agree, I have met many British Orientals who are "white-washed" but I have also met many who are so completely "wannabe HK," and neither are good for the identity of BBCs.

      For me, what should identify British Chinese people is their hard working nature, to get into grammar schools and good unis (Oxbridge, LSEs and Imperials) [as much as I know this being a stereotype, this is the main trait that our immigrant parents have given us - to work hard and climb in this society (the main trait we should continue passing on to our children)] but equally important - to embrace Western culture and to chase your dreams and passion. Asian Americans have all done this well - Masi Oka, John Cho, Ken Jeong, Wang Lee Hom (all of whom pursued their passion for acting/music but excelled academically)

      I completely agree with this article, and you make some great points throughout your blog. But your posts inherently adopt a one of chasing away Western culture when in fact. by completely disregarding a major factor in a Western Asian's life,this will only impede our strife to find an identity.

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    3. BBCs should develop a unique sense of Chinese pride first before being morphed into mainstream culture.

      Heres some reading for you

      http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/how-to-become-sellout-bbc-in-5-steps.html

      As for identity, with our own BBC media,we can celebrate the cultural aspects of being a BBC, but without it, it will take that much longer.

      http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/what-bbcs-can-learn-from-boxer.html

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  5. Isn't it ironic how Gok Wan tries to make teenagers proud of who they are, yet he calls himself a chink. What's his advice for fat ugly gay white kids? To call themselves 'lardass honky faggot n proud?'

    for that matter, why doesn't gok wan call himself a fag instead of a chink? or indeed call himself a chinky faggot. oh don't tell me, fag is unacceptable but chink is acceptable. homophobia = bad, racism against Chinese people = good. lovely.

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  6. Gok Wan has done nothing for Chinese people in this country, I've never seen a Chinese person appear in any of his TV programmes, in fact I've never seen him socialise/photographed with an ethnic Chinese person except his father.

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    1. Having recently seen his 'Made In China' documentary I am inclined to aggree with the above^

      He mocked his own heritage; some would say his own [SACRED] heritage....He was in China and he was burning paper effigies for his dead ancesters...at his own uncle's grave!

      (It is a very common rite for Chinese people!)

      Usually a somber affair!

      The translator, a middle-aged female; detected insincerity; saw 'RED' and took over in the proceedings.

      She must have thought he'd crossed the line! He was so sarcastic and dis-respectful.

      Wan also made fun of 'conical hats' and some of our customs....such as his mocking behaviour at the Burning-Offerings shop, in Kowloon.

      He made fun of items such as:
      paper mobile-phones, credit-cards, hell money, etc.

      The 'man' had little respect for his own blood and heritage or indeed the dead. He is a hypocrite, philistine, sold out his own blood heritage and soul for fame.

      In short I think Gok Wan is disgusting!

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    2. after watched that,I found him disgusting.i was wondering he will get some kind of promotion from the some media soon,that is why next week after that i saw whole page of newspaper about him shit.

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  7. Thank god^ also fortunately he hasn't gone around chinese communities preaching BBCs to be proud to be chin*y and reclaim the word, it won't work its the same with the p*ki word.

    Gok wan also has the words "made in china" tattooed behind his neck, which is weird. He should also try talking to chinese teens who have been victims of racism. He is not a highly educated person and his speech is always very theatre entertainment with an underlying business motive and actually it is narcissistic, because he needs the attention and adulation.

    Good blogs

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    1. Gok wan also has the words "made in china" tattooed behind his neck

      sums him up, he has no class. thats the equivalent to a slapper tattooing the words 'enter here' above her p*nani.

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    2. although tbf gok prob already has the words 'enter here' tattooed above his butthole

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  8. This just goes to show Gok Wan isn't exactly liked by Chinese or BBCs. It's true that there aren't enough Chinese people on his fashion roadshows or HTLGN. Wonder why that is. I'm guessing it's because Chinese people don't want to go on TV - no guts or don't want to be recognised for fear of humiliation. I did see one BBC woman at his roadshow and she had volunteered to be a temporary model for different body shapes.

    I recommend reading his autobiography (if you're, you know, man enough to do that but I guess you're all subtly homophobic) as it talks about how he got to where he is now and he does talk about his Chinese-ness. He's also finished doing a documentary where he went travelling around China so it will be interesting to see what footage is used there. I'm sure you'll have much more to 'complain' when it is shown in spring.

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    1. The issue here, at least they way i see it, is a media-backed Eurasian using casual slandering against Chinese. His sexuality is not the issue here.

      But what it does say is that unless those that are allowed to represent us as Chinese are deemed 'unusual' or 'interesting' eg gay or tweeting casual racism, it's just not sensationalist enough to be worth paying attention to.

      re: his documentary. its funny how media-backed eurasians once again get to publicly express how proud of being Chinese they are, and BBCs arent given a voice, beaten down by white washing, to the point that as you can see amongst some BBC'ers, casual racism is now legitimised by our own, against our own.

      How cool is dat

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  9. Chinese women aren’t fat enough for his shows, Gok wan fan base is largely formed of haggard white middle aged menopausal obese women with 46DD and 44inch waistlines, you wont find any Chinese women that big. Since you’re such a big fan of his you must be a bit of a porker or a lemon, maybe you should volunteer yourself for his show.

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    1. ^ Seeing as you have you are defending the right for anyone to use casual slander against Chinese in public, maybe its okay for me to call you a multiculturalist hipster sellout?

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  10. Superb BBC blog relevant issues debated

    My few Yuans worth, good sharp points made, I have nothing against Gays or mixed race etc, I not happy with Gok wan's usage of the word "Chink", which sort of makes it legitimate for people to go round calling other chinese people chink, which is of course offensive and racist in everyday usage.
    Maybe he is just following the business advice of his agent and his non-chinese marketing team which are not in the interests of BBCs or chinese people, but purely for his self-help business activities and promoting his "brand" (not 18-35, not chinese etc,) interests.
    Lets Not forget Gok wan is not a professional psychologist (he probably had major therapy himself) nor deeply or widely politically informed in the fields he presents (racism, inequality and consumerism as escape), he just a mouthpiece of a contrived business package. I have also read his bio it is very hardcore jooksing, my deeper reading is that he probably researched the BBCs sites "WE" read aswell, because of the similar content but obviously phrased differently, he has allegedly written, which of course must be taken with a pinch of salt, there are a few real moments (like Dawn French's advice), but overall it is a bit fake, like most celeb bios.

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    1. Speaking of casual racism being made acceptable, interesting to see some of the replies this link got when posted on the BBC facebook board, asking 'should gok wan be allowed to call us chinks?'

      http://www.facebook.com/groups/britishbornchinese/10150557571071305/?notif_t=group_activity



      Andy Lee :

      I wasn't aware permission was required
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      Warren Wan : Stop cussing my cousin, bunch of chinks
      22 hours ago · Like

      William Cheng :i don't think it's all that bad, maybe just a bit odd when gok sez it. Chinese people who can call themselves chinks, I feel are comfortable with themselves being chinese and not take offence to being called chink. the word doesn't actually mean anything bad to be fair, it's just that it used to be used in a derogatory form. If someone called me chink, I'd just say 'yea i know, I'm chinese, what else you got to say?'
      16 hours ago · Like · 1

      Zoe Winsum Tang :

      chink or chinky is racists and its already become the norm i don't hear anyone call us chinese chinese anymore is chinky. i get as soon i step out the house.
      5 hours ago · Like

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    2. ...oh so that partly accounts for the Facebook referrals, though there have been 3 other articles from this blog anonymously posted onto Facebook over the last few days. I have to say the opinions posted by HBC above confirms the analysis in the article to be correct, so I'm unsurprised.

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    3. Anonymously posted? Those 3 were me trying to spread the word on the blog whilst you were away! And will keep doing so despite the sometimes annoying abuse I get from the usual idiots when Im on there. BBCS have time for spelling games and small talk, so BBCs should also have time for cultural respect.

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  11. A white guy’s justification for using Chinaman, Chinky, Chink etc is this.... “I've got Chinese friends, they don't mind me using it ” my Chinese friends dont think its racist, they think its funny, they use it too, if its good enough for them, its good enough for me.” So the use of the term Chink by Chinese people also legitimizes its use by the White community as its use is sanctioned by the Chinese who mix with whites.

    We can make comparisons with the N word. Although, Blacks may use the N-word, they don’t allow white people to use it, have you ever heard a white person say 'my black friends allow me to call them n*ggers in their company?' Chinese however are feeble in the face of white people, they tally up to them, they seek acceptance from whites, Chinese allow white people to use the c-word, that’s why you cannot apply the same rules of the N-word to the C-word. Chinese only have themselves to blame.

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  12. I agree with Zeit, that is the typical BBC world view...it surprises me that Gokwan is so willing to help and support those who are vulnerable except chinese people, I don't his chinky comments is witty reverse psychology either, my take is, it's probably because Gokwan and his family had also been a victim of racism (like all if not most chinese people), it will be career game over if he admits it, hence its tragic denial and false CONfidence.

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    1. Gok Wan is a eurasian not BBC. His dad is Chinese and his mum white .From what i read most of his self hate sprang from his overweight ( hence helping fat women in his programmes) and no doubt his gayness. That he is so casual about usage of the word partly has to do with growing up in a white northern environment.

      Wiki:

      'Wan stood out from his peers from a young age and the fact that he was mixed race, tall, overweight and gay led to bullying from other children.'

      He may have experienced mixed race prejudice but thats different from anti-Chinese racism , and from the above wiki it seemed just a part of the issue.

      The other issue is that Gok Wan not as a representative of BBCS despite being positioned to be by media, 1/because he's eurasian and 2/ because he isnt a Chinese - evident in as you say not seen helping any Chinese people in shows, and to me this is to do with not identifying with them, or being arsed to, as a eurasian, plus of course the white is normal bias the british media has.


      In addition most british eurasians seem typically opportunists and narcissists. Bold statement but to date it hasnt been disproved, especially those that have visited this blog.

      Again, another reason for validing their misuse of the slur - sensationalism rather than for self depreciation.

      BBCS on the other hand accept the use of the slur in supposed self depreciation without justification because we dont yet have a socially accepted identity like other ethnic groups, or a media image that shows us as normal, and with no effort to change that, and with a british media allowed to flip flop between the Chinese in britain and british chinese terminology whenever it suits them.... the default is we are still seen as the perpetual foreigner, therefore calling ourselves chinks just reinforces that.

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    2. Interesting angle, I would agree if there’s one issue that he was most affected by, it was his weight, not his race. Whilst I’m not discounting he was called Chinky at school (after all he looked very Asian for a mixed race as a child), most likely the term was picked up as a meme because of its association with the Chinese restaurant that his father ran.

      However, I do believe Gok wan is a liar and grossly exaggerating racism. He was raised in Leicester. The city of Leicester has one of the highest concentration of ethnics in the UK, it is the multi-cultural Labour heartlands, it is incomparable to the abuse isolated ethnic Chinese face living in white areas. I have scoured the internet looking for examples of racism against Chinese in Leicester, I have not found one single article of racial abuse against the Chinese community in Leicester. What does that tell you?

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    3. That chinese are afraid to report it? or incidents covered up or ignored and not believed, not reported?

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  13. I think minorities who do use words like "chink" or "nigga" in an ironic or self-referential way are simply being "post-offended". Younger people who have not necessarily experienced the more brutal aspects of racism have not perceived this word in the context from which they originated. In some ways, this is good - obviously, it's bad when people use offensive words, but they are just words that aren't really worth agonising over (sticks + stones, etc.), feeling offended by words simply empowers the people who use them. The intended meaning of words is about the context they're used.

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    1. 'the intended meaning of words is about the context theyre used' - its fine to joke amongst fellow bbcs with wordplay, but if a non-chinese stranger heard you using the word chink,in a casual non offensive amongst fellow bbcs, they can easily misinterpret it as legitimate to use that same word in a jokey way.

      not knowing what they would do afterwards having heard the chink word used by bbcs in such a casual jokey context, would that be considered okay with you?

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    2. 'Being offended by racist words empowers white people that use them?'

      Nonsense. A white person uses the c-words to entertain a white audience, not a Chinese audience, whether the Chinese person feels offended is often an irrelevance. For example, a white person says to another white, ‘lets go for a Chinky,’ .... where does the Chinese person figure in this? He doesn’t figure, its a conversation between 2 whites, he only starts to figure if he makes a complaint or kicks up a fuss. Jim Davidson makes racist jokes to an all white audience, where do the ethnics figure in this? Answer: They don't, the audience is white. These racial terms are used by White's in their everyday vocabulary, its only because you don't complain that its use is allowed to continue, which is exactly what the white man wants.

      This laissez faire attitude of letting white people do or say whatever they want, walk all over the Chinese, i.e Chinese doing nothing, not reacting, not complaining in the UK has been going on since the first Chinese set foot in this country, its one reason why the N-word is deemed way more offensive than the c-word.

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    3. However, I do agree that the fact the BBC’s now use these terms themselves can be considered a sign of 'post-pc,' however, that doesn’t tell the full story, what it shows is that many BBC’s have become over-assimilated into British society, they are sell-outs who have taken on the same views/agenda as the white man. These have the same mindset of a white man.

      It’s discussed here....

      http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2012/01/once-you-go-black-you-cant-go-back.html

      and here...

      http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2010/08/self-hating-chinese.html

      You can tell who is a western born Chinese, just go to facebook, they display photos of themselves with their arms around a black/Indian/white/’insert non-Chinese race’ persons on their profiles on Facebook, they defend/want to seek acceptance from/or join other races whilst denigrating/trivialising the cause of their own race, they think a Chinese person complaining about racism is trivial, they think that only black people have it bad, therefore calling Chinese chinks is trivial and not real racism and nowhere near on a par with the n-word, this is the EXACT same perspective that a multi-culturalist white man holds, that’s how much BBC’s have sold out and assimilated.

      This attitude taken to its logical conclusion results in inter racial marriage/breeding - guess which two groups from the British Chinese community have the highest rates of inter racial marriage in the UK - Eurasian's and BBC’s. I rest my case.

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    4. These self hating women do not even understand the damage, so sucked in they are in an effort to be accepted as British... they themselves do not believe there is a thing as British Chinese, thus their need to be white, black - even asian.

      What is hypocritical from these women is that they see whites and blacks approvingly calling us chinks as "a joke" - but when Chinese people call blacks and white racial names or stereotypes they are quick to call out racism.

      They are also the same types who argue about keeping their surname after a marriage - but if it's to a white man, accepting their white surname is a no brainer.

      wake up "ladies"

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    6. @bbcz yes what i was asking alex indirectly , was having said the word chink jokingly in public with fellow bbcs, when non chinese are around - black, white asian , whatever, whether he would feel any responsibility IF those same non chinese also chose to use that word in a jokey way ,now knowing how bbcs legitimise the jokey use of that word. Alex?

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  14. How can others respect you for your race when we (although Gok is mixed, so not strictly "we") can't respect themselves? To have to use racially derorgatory names for your own race just to make the white majority have a laugh - at your expense - does nothing but harm for the Chinese as a race.

    Imagine whites jokingly calling themselves paedophiles to a majority Chinese/black/asian audience, just to make us happy.

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  15. About Gok, firstly his over simplistic emotional show only works mainly to gullible, usually uneducated working class people. Hence selling out to crude "chink" labelling for the brand.

    Not sure you ever seen Gokwan live on TV, I have a few times, and on both occassions he threw a stroop because of dodgy chinese jokes or puns. In the Alan Carr new year show he threw a stroop because of a sketch that compared him to Wendy Deng. He often uses the gay thing as a shield, to stop people questioning his chinese confusion and sell out. He is just a hard working big ego at the end of the day, and willing to sell out chinese identity if it brings him fame and money.

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    1. What was the other occasion?

      And to be fair, Wan and Deng are both sellouts to their race, so it was a valid comparison.

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    2. It depends why he went into a strop. E,g. Did he go into a strop because he thinks its offensive as he’s mixed race and doesn't want to be compared to another Chinese? or because he thinks he’s Chinese and its racist to be compared to another Chinese person on the basis of their race? Or he’s offended because he’s gay male and being compared to a Chinese woman? We don't know? we can only guess.

      But any case, it’s kind of ironic that he throws a strop when he liberally uses the chink word for a white audience and for his white social circles, if he's going to do that then it gives the impression he's game (i.e you can say all kinds of racist comments to him) because it doesn't affect him, then Gok shouldn't complain nor throw a strop when white people throw it back into his face.

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    3. haha, thats funny. @ AnonymousFeb 15, 2012 02:56 PM

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    4. Hes making loads of money, hes got the middle age fat white bitch market cornered, now he's working on the teens. whose next on his money making target list? Dudes? Gays? Ethnics?

      He's really hypocritical if you think about it, he talks about body confidence and proud of being fat but fat gok wan he was so ashamed to be fat that he went on a massive diet to become skinny.

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    5. I concure; Gok Wan and Wendy Deng are both race traitors!

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  16. @ Zeit, that is the point, he throws a stropp when ppl take the mick about him about being chinese, it does affect him.
    The other occassion was i can recall is the live cooking with ramsey it s on Youtube... i not into sleaze digging, just wanna make the point he is bit of a jooksing fake, most BBCs which he is not, does use the word chinky like that, only him. Most BBcs see as a taking the mick.

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  17. look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuSxkY8A6VQ

    he seems pissed off that ramsey won

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  18. I am just glad most BBCs and people in the workplace (well my job anyway)never ever make flippant "chinky" remarks. Gokwan's world is his own, he is no role model unlike Jeremy Lin who has NOT SOLD OUT his chinese identity, and is encouraging young chinese kids to do sports and feel positive, I can't help but respect this guy who still holds what is noble in the chinese character, it is a way Gok Wan never can do, by lowering himself as a "chink", tragic. It will haunt him later on when more critical intellectuals get on the case.

    Gok does have some good culinary skills, he definitely has spent long hours working behind a wok because the way he uses the meat cleaver.
    BBCs can see through that coz they re sharp.

    Good blogs

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    1. This is ironic, ESPN weabsite used the headline 'Chink in the Armor' for Jeremy Lin and then removed it after complaints.

      http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2012/02/18/espn-uses-racial-epithet-chink-in-headline-of-jeremy-lin-story/

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    2. Some Americanised BBCS seem to think the word Chink is inoffensive so not sure why they would see it as offensive when their Asian American Basketball hero gets labelled it.

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  19. "Jeremy Lin has NOT SOLD OUT his chinese identity"

    Not entirely true, he's a Christian and a bible study teacher at harvard! So depending on perspective, it can be considered a form of selling out of your Chinese identity.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/jeremy-lin-was-bible-study-teacher-at-harvard-university-69767/

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    1. By whom? An anonymous casino-dwelling Hakka immigrant who dares not use his own name?

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  20. Yeah point taken Zeit, there is also the Taiwan vs China split where Yao Ming seen as china thru and thru, and a point of division whipped up by some quartesrs of the right wing western media.
    But Lin hasn't sold out like Gokwan by labelling himself chi.ky or the like, and commented the negative racist remarks he had to put up with before getting into the first team. Yellow mambo doesn't sound as bad ?!?!

    Good discussion.

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  21. On Jeremy Lin being called a 'chink'.

    Firstly, of course it was incredibly stupid that ESPN thought they could use 'chink in the armour' (not necessarily a racist phrase) to refer to an East Asian person and somehow get away with it. It was obviously a deliberate effort to somehow get 'chink' into a story about Jeremy. And in this context it became racist.

    However, you do realise that Jeremy Lin himself had a Xanga account named 'chinkballa88', right?

    Surely that makes him a self-hating Chinese according to your previous blog posts? He's obviously not one to be offended by a mere word such as 'chink'. Younger Chinese are becoming a lot less insecure about this sort of rubbish (aka post-offended). (Jeremy Lin said he was proud to be Chinese from Taiwan, so, does that still make him self hating?) The best way to deal to racist name calling is to do what Jeremy Lin does - to ignore it. Perhaps you don't understand why some young Chinese behave like this because there's a generational or age difference.

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    1. HappyBritishChinese20 February 2012 at 16:31

      That Jeremy Lin called himself Chinkballa88 may have something to do with the easy adoption of that word by western-born Chinese, especially with no western born Chinese role models.

      But according to this

      http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/34808710/2

      the kid was 16years old at the time. So naive and easily influenced is probably one way of looking at it. And a teenager?

      Yes, at the time probably self hating as most teenagers are. western born Chinese teengager with no western born chinese role model? probably even more likely.

      Western born Chinese teenager with no western born chinese role model and Christian? Even more likelier still.

      Now that he is a rolemodel himself. Does that make him a self-hating chinese rolemodel? if so, hes done a good job of it.Looks like channelling the self hate into working hard paid off.

      What you dont seem to understand is that by adopting that word into your vocubulary as western-born Chinese, you are saying that word is accepted and enforcing the existance of it.

      It's okay if you are a 16 kid living in a presumably white area learning to play a sport where there are no ethnic Chinese playing it, but for a bunch of grown up BBCS theres no excuse.

      Its nothing to do with age, its to do with Chinese pride, something that by your comments so far dont seem to have expressed.

      Especially when coming across as an asian american wannabe.

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    2. I don't think the usage of the word 'chink' amongst young Chinese equates to 'self-hating'. As a young BBC myself, I do not refer to myself as a 'chink' but I'm not offended by the fact that other young(er) BBCs may choose to do so. I'm not sure why you seem to be so bothered about it.

      Some blacks use the slang term 'nigga' amongst themselves. That of course does not make it right for it to be used in non-slang settings (eg. in a workplace, shop) Then, neither does use of 'chink' amongst young BBCs in a slang context legitimise that word's use beyond it (thus the ESPN writer who wrote that headline was suspended).

      So, contrary to the idea that use of these words would make them "accepted" by "enforcing the existance [sic]" of them, racist words used in the improper context is still highly frowned upon by politically correct society.

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    3. Let me ask you something - are you proud to be Chinese? IF so, why?

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    4. I think being 'proud' to be something you don't have a choice in is somewhat strange, I despise all sorts of nationalist movements (yes, even white nationalism, or the sort of people who say they are 'proud to be British/American') because it creates divisions among people. Yes, I do appreciate Chinese arts, culture and history, I speak Cantonese and I love Hong Kong cinema but there are also a lot of 'Chinese' things I don't like. I don't think that makes me 'self-hating'.

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    5. How does jewish zionism? Is that your cup of tea?

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  22. @alex, wrong examples how about the "p" word to refer to pakistan people it is a word I would never use, if there was an "asian" (british usage) gokwan and he called himself "pak-" and used it publicly on TV, and on tweets etc and as a fashion stylist or person preaching about problems of bullying etc then you are in big trouble, if BBCs were vocal about it there would be an uproar, instead they ignore it like alex. hence the problemo

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    1. @ Anon Feb 20

      I don't think Gok Wan has ever used 'chink' in a TV context so your point is not analogous (I don't think that he should use 'chink' on TV anyway). Also, a lot of South Asians refer to themselves as 'pakis'. So what? If there were an Asian Gok Wan who used 'paki' in his Tweets, I don't think British Asians would be 'offended' by it. It's become part of the British Asian slang. Of course, it would be wrong (and missing the point) for a non-Asian to call other people 'pakis', just as a non-Chinese or non-black using 'chinks' or 'niggas' would be considered wrong (which it is).

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    2. @BBC alex Its could also be considred racist of me to accuse you of being a zionist jew troll , but i have no regret in doing so.Because thats exactly what you are.

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  23. Let's be honest, a Chinese person using the Chink word is bending over for the racists and legitimising its' use.

    But wait..... Gok Wan bending over.... are we really surprised?

    What a lot of those Chinese who adopt the word don't realise is that there is a difference to the word nigger. Describing someone as Chink/chinky etc has always been an offensive word and has no etymology beyond its' racial connotations. Nigger is derived from the latin word and has evolved to have racist connotations.

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    1. So a black person using 'nigga' or a South Asian using 'paki' are 'bending over' and self-hating?

      Not exactly. The reclamation of these words by ethnic minorities has a subtlety that you seem to misunderstand as explicit 'race betrayal' and 'race traitor'.

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    2. I don't think it's anything to do with race betrayal or self hating. I understand the slang and why ethnics 're-claim' the word for themselves but don't you think that ranks as hypocrisy? Either the word is racist or it's not. Just because you call your 'homies' that word doesn't make it any less racist does it? The racial insinuations of that word exist regardless of your skin colour.
      It is legitimising its' use in any context by anybody.

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  24. @alex wrong there is a difference between a gangster rapper and a "chinese" person preaching about the effects of bullying and acceptance to kids like Gokwan, who has used the word "chinky" to refer to himself for example to a former spice girl on TV.

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  25. It is hypocritical that Gokwan who goes around schools preaching to kids to accept difference and to watch what you say to others so you don't verbally hurt them, yet HE himself has lowered himself by calling himself "chinky" etc to gain acceptance and made a racist term for public usage to undermine chinese people.

    Gokwan should be called Hong Gan, ask your lo mo she knows what it means if she understands chinese.

    Heykumseen.

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  26. Gok Wan Made in China programme on C4, Gok Wan used the term Chinaman. His father used the term yellow. So you can see where he gets it from, his dumb FOB father.

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  27. Gok Wan is an ignorant dickhead. He's made his fortune by highlighting his difference ie being a gay camp Asian. Part of me wants to beat him up and make him wear clothes from Asda whilst parading in a maximum security prison in Texas..but then again he'd probably like that... The other half wants to bury him inside the black hole of Calcutta with a 'chink' of daylight to muse upon.

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  28. Using the word 'Chink' will never feel friendly or affectionate to me. I've grown up having that word spat at me by people who definitely wanted to put me down. It has negative connotations for me. When I hear younger BBC friends use it as banter amongst themselves, I'm truly saddened. Some of them see it as a cool 'reverse psychology' tactic. As an adult, I haven't grown to love or accept the word. I frequently travel around in my work to new places and occasionally overhear a colleague talking about wanting to get some 'chinky chips' later etc, before rounding the corner, seeing me for the first time and going beetroot red. Anyone who uses that word and claims not to know it's derogatory either grew up in a bubble or will tell me they have 'lots of ethnic friends'.

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    1. Ha if your colleagues are white, thats probably normal for them. Sounds like your from up north. Even more blatant up there. Mind you down south, its just wide-boy snide remarks. As for the whitewashed BBC mates, it's ubercool to not be offended by racism, didnt you know that?

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  29. Racism is everywhere in the UK! I am of Thai and British heritage and I get racial abuse where-ever I am, it is more prominent in Northern England, where I attend University than Edinburgh, my home-town. However I am 6'3" tall and look mixed but I get called Gok Wan in public now and again and it does make me angry. I feel the name Gok Wan is derogatory itself. I never use racial slur and I feel using the word "Chinky" to dis-stigmatised the term is just as bad as Black people using the N-word.

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