Getting up early morning to bring in the fresh supplies, late morning spent preparing ingredients, preparing mountains of peeled vegetables, reopen late afternoon, busy at the front of the shop, serving customers.
This is a typical example of a BBC growing up in the catering trade. And in order to be part of British society, the catering trade is something many commonwealth BBCs have had to live through,
It's a common example that whether it's helping out in the restaurant or takeaway...Friday nights, whilst friends are out clubbing, BBCs are stuck behind the counter serving until around midnight, finally turning in for the night, for a catering lifestyle - the 7 day week can be the norm.
And the family business is one of the main reasons as to why BBC'ers don't have a real BBC culture.
Why? Because its a background most just want to escape from. Get drunk, get laid, anything to outgrow or escape the takeaway is the goal of many BBC'ers from their teens to even late adulthood, and it is this factor that often drives them to 'rebel' by embracing White culture.
After all, if the only knowledge a BBC has of Chinese culture is their FOB disciplinarian dad whipping their slave arse into gear in the family business, it's hardly a good reason that a BBC would want to embrace Chinese culture, let alone develop it.
In the 80s and 90s, it was common knowledge for a BBC to have experienced long working hours, casual racism, thieves, people who cant afford to pay, trouble makers, drunks,vandalism and for many BBCs they are still are affected by the brunt of tough times. Arguably today is a bit different, despite many commonwealth BBCs still working in the takeaway, Britain is a more multicultural society.
China is a superpower and for mainland British Born Chinese growing up in the UK still in their teens whose folks own Herbal shops, arguably, have more of a comfortable background, and of course the benefit of the commonwealth Chinese having lived here in the UK for a while resulting in a more even BBC culture.
But the troubles at the takeaway remain the same, people not having the money to pay, taking forever to pay in small change, greedy customers eating 3/4 of their food demanding a refund, the two white drunk chavs stumbling in just before closing time taking forever to decide, then puking up half their meal all over the floor and of course the good old casual racism...these issues still exist. But the funny thing is, BBC's are docile, they don't complain, not even against racism, discrimination, which is dismissed.
Is the 'dark unglamorous' association BBC have with the Chinese takeaway/restaurant the reason why BBCs run away from developing British Chinese culture?
But rather than hypocritically embracing the same culture that discriminated against them in the first place, in order to 'fit in', isn't it about time BBCs stopped sulking and started their own culture?
Is the 'dark unglamorous' association BBC have with the Chinese takeaway/restaurant the reason why BBCs run away from developing British Chinese culture?
But rather than hypocritically embracing the same culture that discriminated against them in the first place, in order to 'fit in', isn't it about time BBCs stopped sulking and started their own culture?
yes it probably is.
ReplyDeleteyes cant live in the shadow of FOBS forever
DeleteThere are obvious advantages of the hard background of working for the family business - self discipline, family support bond, but why BBCs would then want to go on the flipside and endorse the same culture that are responsible for causing stress and trouble in the family business ive no idea.
You dont see other ethnic groups do that. Look at the south asians who own corner shops and newsagents. They must get hell of abuse. but their culture remains strong. And india is the shithole of colonising, yet china is a stronghold. Odd isnt it?
BBCS as we have seen on the other hand look at colonisation as some kind of luxury. and from the play cantonese article, a voluntary kind of liberalism.
Personally I think its the FOB nuclear family set up thats at fault. Think about it. Everything that Chinese do is for the family, asians have the same thing, but they also have their own stronger sense of culture. I think another reason why we dont have such a strong sense of culture is because running away is the default.
This may also explain the lack of things to talk about in our culture because its all to do with escapism. Think about it - what is the main talk on the facebook board? Its trivial stuff. Jokey, light, casual, i dont know it kind of reminds me of a girl who is self conscious about her weight so she eats chocolates to try and forget about it, rather than taking the effort to lose weight.
In a way its like a depressive psychology. How can else can you explain 'running away'. It means that people despite the happiness that they portray really arent happy with things.
How can they be? The non-commital context that bbc culture currently has no definition because definition would in a way represent , weirdly enough, the same kind of structure that FOB parents represent. and for BBCS , the association with FOBS represents imprisonment, presenting no-culture as better than any culture.
However without a culture, as can be seen from the many articles thats been written, BBCS will just dissolve.
Just because FOBS gave BBCS the practical way of growing up as a Chinese being born in britain, its up to BBCS to figure out a way to do something with it. Cant expect everything handed to us on a plate. Can we?
If you interviewed 100% BBC's, I would imagine the majority would not see the takeaway as something to be proud of but as something to shy away from and forget, even though it is very much a British Chinese phenomenon.
ReplyDeleteOn the flipside, we forget that these catering establishments are points on the map that connect disparate pockets of Chinese into a community. For example, Mr Wong who owns a takeaway will probably know Mr Li who owns a Chinese restaurant 2 mins drive away, if you are part of this catering community - that is how many Chinese connect with other Chinese.
Indeed, the first Chinese girl I ever formed a relationship with worked for my parents as a waitress. IMO, the BBC's that are now no longer part of the Chinese catering community are even more isolated from other Chinese and are even more likely to marry White/Black/Indian.
My folks were also part of the catering culture, but more to do with providing of equipment to restaurants, so I didnt have so much of the racial experiences because it didnt have that kind of environment when you are consistently openly exposed to it like a takeaway has. But nevertheless there was that bond and kinship with the customers, and invitations to meet their family.
DeleteBut what I will say is that whilst at the time i wasnt as hardcore about my Chinese pride as I am now, If I hadnt had the personal charm to deal with some situations, I could probably been on the receiving end of a lot worse.
But now im my older years I realise that theres nothing better than having confidence in your own culture and pride in roots, that maybe my folks couldve better prepared me for, instead of doing the usual work hard and try and blend in as best you can.
As long as theres anti-Chinese media, BBCS should always know theres a chance we wont get 100% accepted by the majority. Its just the way it is until that all changes. May as well be realistic about it.
I been reading this blog off on, and I am a BBC of a similar background to you, actually majority of BBCs i know and have known, its also nice to hear Zeitgeist and HBC what I would call your more human side of this blog, which at it best says something, a bit more profound than usual.
ReplyDeleteThanks will be staying tuned, still think its the best BBC blog around.
Thanks, look forward to seeing you here more often. This article probably hit a few raw nerves but hopefully even if noone wants to share comments, its provoked thought.
DeleteOften its just a matter of choosing to see something as half full or half empty. Cultural development doesnt always come from the most obvious places.Often the best culture is honest culture,whilst emulation often only works if the original intent is understood.
Some lines to fight back racism
ReplyDelete'yes i work in a takeaway and we make more money than you skavs claim in a year - jealous?'
'By working here im sharing my culture with you. what culture do you have apart from puking your drunk guts all over my floor'
'just because we make more money than you doesnt mean you are getting your meal for free you cheapskate. better start saving your dole money'
'Yes i did hear about that lawyer student who won compensation. our last delivery man was a student. the only difference was he actually worked for his wage instead of trying to sue us for it
'id rather sell piping hot food and feel good about myself than sell cannabis for a living'
'if our food is expensive maybe you should just spend it on more booze and see how quickly that wipes out whatever braincells you have left'
'yes officer, even if the cook just took a shit in your fried rice, with all the big macs you eat you probably wont be able to tell the difference'
So not the best examples, but even if just thinking them those lines can be used in emergency situations for empowerment. Turn the negative into positive.
"[Y]es, [I] work in a takeaway and we make more money than you [ch]avs claim in a [year]. [J]ealous?"
DeleteIf you want to get yourself mugged, robbed or burgled, well then, certainly! You are by definition an unemployable semi-unskilled person anyway if you had to work in a takeaway!
Sitting comfortably from Hong Kong on your armchair, do you have any more of your "tips" to share, mate?
Yes heres another - speak out against racism at work and dont take it up the arse from white people! Unless youre a whitewashed BBC sellout, that is
DeleteSo bollocks to Chinese pride and hello white culture is that the way it goes? Like the article says why would you want to endorse the 'culture' of those that hurl racist abuse your folks workplace?
DeleteBut rather than hypocritically embracing the same culture that discriminated against them in the first place, in order to 'fit in', isn't it about time BBCs stopped sulking and started their own culture?
ReplyDeleteThe problem is, what culture of our own do we actually have? We do things white people do, we get acused of embracing that.
We do the things Chinese people do and we live in the shadow of others.
I do things I do, whatever those things might be, and both the natives AND the BBCs/FOBs look down on me for doing this.
Therefore there is no neutral ground in which to start from, as people will bunch together and form a collective of people who view outsiders with distain.
I hear you, that's the classic problem BBC's face, they are in the middle of two cultures and are often forced to choose, I don't think there's any easy solution, my views regarding this issue have changed a number of times since I started blogging, its rather complex and long, I'll write my own article on this subject later.
DeleteAgreed with no neutral ground, but if theres enough of us to finally agree we are at least on the same page, its a start.
Delete@BBCz
Ive got some material for an article too. Maybe we can co-author. Or I'll leave comments on yours. Either way BBCs probably wont like what I have to say. But whats new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6DdFI2FXGA&feature=relmfu
ReplyDeleteWhat does abortion in China have to do with this article? Here's something just as irrelevant, enjoy:
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYOTVUPtHo4
Chinese culture as far as I see it has long been washed away before our parents even landed in the UK. It's ironic how China was never colonised but for some strange reason, the many subliminally crave for western culture and its ideal. The Chinese were quick to adopt Christian names rather than Chinese sounding names. The lust for western Piano lessons are all subtle parts that form a quiet appreciation of all things western. The only real experience that most BBC have of Chinese culture is the love of a family, and the need to stay connected with the family. The whole work ethic thing is just past down from the communist era of survival. Is that Chinese culture? And if it is, does a BBC who believes in taking it easy not quite Chinese enough?
ReplyDeleteThe article talks about a BBC culture not Chinese culture. BBC is basically celebrating being Chinese in the UK that shows Chinese faces , in music , art that are British. Its a cultural and political identity, that are basically english speaking Chinese in Britain. In this respect culture, is important in defining us as English-language speaking Chinese and not as just Chinese in Britain.Similar to how Asian Americans have a cultural identity, but British.
DeleteThis cannot be achieved if BBCs always live in the shadow of FOBS and never venture outside that nuclear mindset.
The reality is, the numbers of BBC do not match that of other ethnic groups in this country, and for that, the reason I seek out a forum like this to see what BBC are thinking and saying, and judging by some of the threads, it seems there's little interaction with other BBC, and that is the sole reason a culture has not formed. Nothing to do with Chinese restaurants or long hours.
ReplyDeleteFinally, what is all this step out of the shadows stuff. It's as if Chinese Brits are seeing themselves as inferior. Well I don't anyway...
We are interacting now aren't we? Just like facebook, BC online.Sign up for a google ID, or email bbczeitgeist@hotmail.co.uk and we can interact via email, or meet up in person.
DeleteThis blog has been posted enough times on the BC online facebook group, whenever theres a new article, so pretty sure enough BBCs know enough about it.
Re: step out the shadows, what I was referring to is the collective BBC mindset, not the individual, as you mentioned. What do BBCs do, what do we enjoy, who are our artists, how do we live, and we need to see this for ourselves and take pride in it and enjoy sharing this with others,rather than picking and choosing bits to share on facebook and think thats enough. And beyond that maybe have some kind of responsibility towards other ethnic Chinese in the UK, because as far as I can see, as a collective we dont really have anything substantial, yet.
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/what-bbcs-can-learn-from-boxer.html
I'm afraid I'm not of the generation of Facebook junkies. I prefer to debate and see what others think and inject my views and offer an altogether different perspective. And it's good to interact, and the reason I came on here to see what's going on. After watching Gok Wan's recent Chinese cooking show, he reminded me a lot of memories that I thought only I had, so it was refreshing to see him bring in many other Chinese and Eurasions too who have shown they do value their Chinese side. And I realised that he seemed even more Chinese than I ever thought, and before people start on what 'more Chinese' means, that's another discussion.
ReplyDeleteAnd how do you feel about Gok Wan representing British Chinese males in the media?
DeleteI think it's a little sad that it has to be Gok Wan of all people, but I actually believe he has done more for BBCs than others of the past, and if (I hope)he continues to embrace his Chinese side and show others how to feel more connected, it's not a bad thing, after all, what kind of celebrities in the mainstream in this country are genuine talents anyway? So Gok Wan may well be a step up from some of the mediocre attention seekers that hog up the mainstream press.
DeleteSo you'd rather have a Eurasian represent BBCs than nothing at all?
DeleteThe problem I have with the mainstream press, like all media is that its run by jews who are bent on making Chinese look bad. You agree with me on that one right?
I'm afraid not in some parts, I disagree there...the Jew bit sounds a little juvenile. Considering, China was once happy to trade arms with Israel without America's consent, and the common belief of anything going dodgy, blame the Jews is just as tiresome as the same on 'blame the Chinese brigade.'
DeleteBelieve it or not, it's the liberal left like the BBC channels and Channel 4 who continue to churn out heart wrenching human rights cases and the continue need to remind others how guilty we should feel for taking China made goods and failing to question the country's poor human rights records. The problem is, China is suspicious of western media, and that partly fuels the situation. Remember, European politics is all about fake public gestures and unity rather than being over protective and private. Someting alien to western democracies.
As for Gok Wan, yes I think he does a better job than say Alexa Chung. One step at the time. SF.
The Jew bit does sound a bit jew-venile, I agree. Having said that, maybe worth a discussion at a later date.
DeleteIts one Eurasian better than the other, maybe its a case of waiting for another generation of BBCs when we can see a fully ethnic Chinese male represent us on British Television.
Not that I care,too much, to be honest.
Are you aware why China or ethnic Chinese in general have a right to be suspicious of western media?
Maybe leave a comment here:
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/daily-mail-china.html
BTW, how did you find out about the blog?
And as a BBC im assuming both your folks are Hong Kongers?
nay sik hm sik guang dong wa?
I think I'll leave the Daily Mail topic for now, since it is common knowledge that it is a bigot's paper, printed by bigots themselves.
ReplyDeleteI notice you mention a male representing, but females too don't you think?
As for suspicions, well one look at the World Wide Web, it's pretty obvious it's been run by the western world for the western population. With such a public tool on China's doorstep, firstly, China will be weary because of the public sway, secondly journalists often come into the country only to dig up wrong-doing by the Communist Party instead of reporting what they see. The agenda is to give the world a glimpse of dictatorial China rather than a country that is any western world's dream. Hard working go getting folks wanting to succeed together with a strong educational system churning future scientists and biologists.
My parents are originally from Hong Kong, and I can speak Hakka and Cantonese, but sadly not Mandarin.
I found this blog purely by chance after checking out Dim Sum forums. SF.
Yes agreed, of course it's important for females to represent too. As you may or may not be aware, BBC females and Chinese females are quite criticized for their interacial relationships, and as for female representation in the media, well you can check this blog for yourself.
DeleteAnd feel free to comment on the latest article, thats usually where the most conversation/interaction takes place.
You seem to have quite educated opinions on China,maybe you'd like to contribute an article from a female perspective? This is arguably something that the blog is lacking.
I have seen the numerous topics on it and maybe will contribute when I have more time. Personally, I think that kind of discussion is quite difficult to discuss as a whole because there might be so many factors and not necessarily just female lusting after white men. I'm sure plenty of BBC males have also done the same. The only thing I can see is lack of female opinion, therefore creating a 'pack' mentality from the men-folk.
ReplyDeleteFor now, I will try to read up on what's the view on this forum, but I must admit, when you referred me to the Boxer Rebellion discussion, I did burst out laughing. I can see you are really trying hard to cause some kind of stir/uprising.
The irony is, after everything, these people back then did take in the 'sell' of the western religion. Only to bend it for their liking. So to go a full circle in history, the 'white' man has managed to cause catastrophic in-fighting (almost a civil war) barely lifting a finger. Sadly, still doing it today. The golden rule for China, when rebelling, attack the right ones. SF.
Yes as a platform for BBCs to discuss cultural issues, BBCz has done a great job in allowing us males who have been largely made invisible in UK media, a voice.
DeleteChinese males choice of white females is true, but more often than not, its due to the outnumbering of the opposite happening first,discussed here:
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/self-hating-chinese-women-part-3.html
Westernisation over Modernisation:
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/british-born-chinese-trip-to-north-and_23.html
I agree we need to stop chasing the western carrot on a stick, which has arguably distracted us ever since. And probably just create our own goal, which is valuing other ethnic Chinese more regardless of the western distraction that is is around us, finding strength within the discipline of being an isolated ethnic identity in the UK rather than an international citizen of the world.
Hopefully my next couple of articles, if they get published, will provide more food for thought.
Well, a chinese female submitted an article recently but I rejected it because it was all about China and had nothing to do with British Chinese.
DeleteThere have actually been a large number of females commenting recently for some unknown reason and about quarter of the blogs readers are female. But this is also true of Britishcineseonline, which is predominantly male, dimsum however is predominantly female. its easily explained.
Britishchineseonline readership is BBC, majority of BBC females marry inter racially and are only interested in dissolving their racial identity, therefore are less likely to use a BBC website. Dimsum is a pro-inter racial marriage website full of si-lai topics for middle age sino-misandry women who hate Chinese men. Birds of a feather flock together.
Discussed here
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2011/10/dimsum.html
More reasons why there are fewer female readers and chinese female apolitical apathy is explained here:
http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2012/03/fight-racism.html
Article contribution issues arent really about gender, but about the passion of the individual and their social identity. I've contacted many chinese bloggers who have their own blog telling them to close their 'loner' blog and blog here instead as a collective, they will have a big audience and a discussion here, but no, they still plug away by themselves on their own loner blog which nobody reads nor comments - being pathetic isolated loners with no one to listen to them - THAT epitomises the BBC condition.
I see the criticsm with inter-racial marriages and can't see why there should be. More about debate and finding out why. My theory is rather basic and maybe simplistic. The lack of us about to form big groups has in some ways caused this to happen. I do think it's a little unfair to say women sell out quickly. I doubt many BBC females sit there dreaming about getting their first mixed race child after grabbing themselves a white man. It just happens.
DeleteI actually think, the question should be turned the other way round. Why are BBC males feeling they are not forming inter-racial relationships. Because I have seen plenty of males doing that, but seem to get a feeling on this forum it's just not happening. Why is that??
I do agree that, in order to get your voice heard, you do need to get on a forum. More people read them, and it does make a difference. Isolating yourself with these lone blogs seems like a dreamworld where you think you are writing an article for a newspaper. It's just not happening.
BBCs really need to quit all the "look at me, I'm wacky" and just be themselves. If they are quiet, then so be it. If they are out-going same. But sometimes, I sense the internet can create fakeness that some BBCs can jump on and try to be as wild as possible. Something I find quite unsavoury about Britain, sometimes. SF.
You misunderstand. The 3 registered article contributors on this blog including myself (if I'm not mistaken) are all pro-ALL-CHINESE marriage, thats why we don't cover the issue of BBC male IR marriage, we don't want inter- racial marriage, were not interested in promoting inter racial marriage, we believe Chinese should marry Chinese, so we're not interested in raising the Chinese male IR rates to match chinese female IR rates, we're only interested in bringing them down.
DeleteNow that doesnt stop commenters or guest bloggers discussing the topic if they wish - they can submit an article, however, we haven;t had many oppprtunities to discuss it here -only in parts of articles..IR marriage does not work in the interests of future of the British Chinese or BBC community.
If the Chinese male IR marriage rates matched the Chinese female IR rates, we wont have a Chinese community left in this country, the next generation will be Eurasian, I personally don't want to encourage that. The only reason we still have half a community left is because BBC males are at least marrying their own race, BBC females however are not - thats the where the problem lies and that's why Chinese females deserve to be criticised.
@SF are you male or female?
Delete@Happybritishchines, I did say I was a female before. Why are you asking again?
DeleteBBCZeitgeist, what can I say. You must do what you believe in. Not sure I can wholly agree with your stance and that of Happybritishchinese. Culture and even ethnicity is not static. I find that people who try to hold back or perhaps artifically control a situation will tend to find that they will be disappointed.
There will come a time when it will not be like this, perhaps you don't want it to happen whilst it's through your lifetime. I agree that females are marrying 'out' more than men. But I don't think it's as simple as men choosing to do that. It's just the way. If someone is giving you attention, you decide upon their skin colour first? Remember, this is Britain and not China. Don't you feel ironically unnatural in doing this? SF.
Ethnicity is not static? Really? Can I claim to be an ethnic Black man if I'm bored being ethnic Chinese man then? No, your ethnicity does not change.
DeleteMen choosing to do that? Do what? Marry their own race you mean or something else?
Everyone judges others on characteristics, whether it'll be height, class, economics, age, education, race etc etc. This is unnatural? Are we suppose to be blind deaf and dumb lacking in olfactory senses too and just date or marry a random piece of flesh? No, we have certain types that appeal to us. Why would I feel ironically unnatural, what are you alluding to?
Are you trying to say its unnatural for a Chinese to marry a Chinese in Britain? If you are, I think most BBC's who have been raised amongst whites would have questioned their identity at some point, its really a question of how you come out of it, if you remain isolated from other Chinese and don't seek to remedy it by seeking other Chinese, then you're never going to be anything other than a white washed banana. You will take a self-hatred view that your ethnicity is not something to be proud of, but something to be avoided and erased, What better to erase it than by breeding yourself out into the indigenous White population.
DeleteLots of BBCs do this, they shut off their Chinese side making life much easier just pretending to be a White British person, they avoid other Chinese, avoid Chinese culture, only mixing with whites etc. Some have never been to their ancestral home in HK, some went once when they're 5 years old and haven't been back to HK for 15-20+_ years, you're not going to develop your Chinese side if you do this, some are too assimilated or just deliberately alienating themselves because they think life will be easier having a single identity.
DeleteBBCZeitgeist, you are lucky you said 'lots' and not all or else, I will come down like a ton of bricks. I'm very in tuned with my Chinese side, but don't sit there thinking "keep it real. Make sure the bloodlines are not lost." Aren't you and Happybritishchinese always spouting slurs at the Jews? How ironic.
ReplyDeleteSure, Chinese connecting and marrying another Chinese is perfect and great, but sometimes, it doesn't happen. We're in Britain. There is nothing unnatural about that. You are either closing your eyes to males marrying out too. I have seen plenty in my time, so maybe your view is a little skewed.
I read the comments about your stint in Hong Kong. You seem to love China but then sometimes hate the western worshipping Hong Kongers. Can you see, it's all around us, western craving people, from our parents to China and Hong Kong. How is it possible for a huge portion of BBCs to adopt a gung-ho approach to racism?? Some of us are born into shame. Sorry to be so negative, but you want to hear the honest truth don't you?
Read this:
Deletehttp://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/should-bbcs-to-be-racist-towards-non.html
Racism against ethnic Chinese is more often than not, always unwarranted. You will know that from reading the Daily Mail article. If you really are Chinese you will know that these kind of slurs, will most likely be instigated first by a non-Chinese, than a Chinese. Therefore the use of racism in self defence, including this blog is warranted. Read it, understand it, understand the context and leave a comment on there.
Why is it unwarranted to spout slurs at Jews who come on here pretending to be ethnic Chinese trying instigate conflict when they have no business being on an ethnic Chinese blog? You are obviously exercising selective reading if you choose to ignore the context of those same insults that have been thrown around on here. All i get from you so far is that you think that Gok Wan is progressive representation for BBCs, and theres no point in creating an ethnic collective. And you'd defend IR over PRO-Chinese marriage. Either you are a Jew yourself pretending to be a Chinese female. Or do you just have a soft spot for them?
Ive answered your question about Chinese males marrying out already, I'm not going to reply to it again, I fully aware of the statistics.
DeleteAlso, I've not spouted slurs at Jews in any article, I used the term matzah fever, don't consider that to be slur. In fact, 116 articles, only one article published is on Jews. Unlike the USA, the Jewish male and Asian female combo in the UK is invisible, the western British Jews have assimilated or hidden their ethnicity to such an extent that its almost impossible distinguish between the white British person and British person of Jewish descent.
These types of westernised Jews in general are appalling role models for Chinese because I can see the British Chinese and BBCs going the same way with their inter breeding and assimilation. Do you want grandchildren who are white with blue eyes who don't see themselves as being Chinese and cant speak Chinese? Or even worse indian or Black? I certainly don't.
This is what I don't understand either. What is the interest in Jews? "Aren't you and Happybritishchinese always spouting slurs at the Jews?" How ironic?
DeleteHow is it ironic? I can't see any irony whatosever.
A lot of rhetorical random points that either are completely ambiguous in meaning, lacking in fact, information or explanation. You have to explain yourself, I have to second guess what you're alluding to almost all of the time. If you have something to say, spit it out.
Happybritishchinese, I'm a little disappointed in your accusing me of being a Jew posing as a BBC female. Either you are totally paranoid or totally obsessed with Jews. Didn't you post something to me recently free from classic Pinyin so there is absolutely no possibility of anyone able to decipher or Google to find out what you wrote in made up English sound? So you think a Jew can understand that?? You asked me whether I can speak Chinese in Cantonese.
ReplyDeleteAs for Daily Mail, no need to tell me about this sorry state of a newswpaper. I have never defended any of their articles nor am I blind to it. I have written to press complaints in the past but found out they also own part of press complaints too. The paper trades on people's ignorance, too lazy to dig deeper. When I finally get a chance, I will look at that discussion. But for now, I'm trying to deal with being called a Jew.
So I defend some inter-racial relationships. Is that odd? Judging from your articles, I'm just another one of your long lists of wrongs. Whether you agree with freedom, free speech and choice, it's up to you. I do, and I don't think I'm defending anyone. I'm just saying what I believe in. I can't possibly speak for all Chinese women, but yes, some do crave western approval. That's very likely from indoctrination of the family and culture around us.
All we can do is create awareness, rally people like Gok Wan to produce more oriental models modelling clothes on his shows. SF.
You cannot argue because you have nothing to say. Your comments are weak and insubstantial and pseudocopy and paste of the comments you read on here, like you do on all east asian activist forums. Your reaction to me is not angry enough. You are a troll. The same Jew-troll that copy and pastes crap on the other East-Asian activist websites. And yes, you have been rumbled.
DeleteI'll let BBCz take over from here, because you should have been deleted long ago.
BBCZeitgeist, you talk about preserving and making sure the Chinese bloodline stays the same. Aren't Jews the same? For Orthodox Jews, it is essential, where there is no inter-racial going on. That's the irony, and you then claim they've bred themselves into modern day culture that is today's culture.
ReplyDeleteI don't like the mainstream culture either, but I don't blame the Jews. I blame the culture being formed and re-formed. Of course it's going to be sad if future generations are unable to speak the language let alone write it and know China's history. However, I hope one day, all Children, whatever race around the world will learn it as part of their main cirriculum. Not just Chinese or mixed race Chinese. SF
I quite clearly said westernised Jews, not orthodox Jews. In fact, similar to HBC, I'm getting very suspicious of your motives for posting on here too. You just dont listen to anything that we say at all. From what you've posted, you sound pro-Jewish, pro-inter racial marriage, pro-mandarin, pro-Sinicisation, pro-Eurasian. Pretty every point you make runs contrary to the interests of this BBC blog and the development of a unique BBC identity. Your views are too lame, you need to develop an alternative viewpoint that is Chinese and not simply, reselling the White-mans agenda or the mainstream agenda. If you hadnt realise BBCs are a minority, minorities have to promote their rights and protect their own interests, were not here to sell the White agenda.
DeleteBBCZeitgeist, what do you mean I don't listen to anything you say. I have read it, digested it and responded. I'm not here to back-slap everyone saying bravo well done. This is a forum, you said you wanted a female's viewpoint, you have one, and at every opportunity you attack with words like lame, worhsipping too pro.
ReplyDeleteIs it against rules to disagree with you???
Going back to my previous reply (that was removed even though I have someone on this forum labelling me a Jew troll but not removed) to HappyBritishChinese, I do not assume you are someone else other than a BBC male. For you to label me childishly as a troll for simply disagreeing with 'a few' of your comments tells me you are throwing all your toys out of the pram. Why? Because I'm not angry enough? By not reacting I'm not who I say I am.
I'll remember that. Next time, be more of a rebel, and you get special treatment over here. Classic English culture. Award the losers. SF.
To put some of this into perspective why not take a look here http://www.halfandhalf.org.uk/sww.htm . This article is about another disgraceful episode in Liverpool social history when part of Liverpool was "ethnically cleansed" with the connivance of the Home Office. The article deserves a wider audience.
ReplyDeleteInstitutional racism is endemic in the UK not much has really changed since the days of the expulsion of Chinese from Liverpool.
I could say more and I probably will another time.
Without even glancing through the whole article, the first thing that comes to mind is that British Chinese history is so undocumented. Many see it as unimportant, trivial, irrelevant, but the fact of the matter is , im guessing, its the same incident happening over and over again re racism, because the core issues are never dealt with. In this respect, Chinese in the UK are never progressive, just seem to recycle same old problems. Because of the racial apathy that Chinese have towards each other and to our race, it perpetuates. Hope it isnt too late.
DeleteIf one thing living in a Chinese takeaway taught me...
ReplyDelete...that is that English "shit" food is actually rather tasty (Fish and chips, pie and mash, sausage and fish cakes)
Much tastier that sloppy water mixed with rice (yuck)
Which kinda looks the semen samples of BBCzeitgeist and happybritishchinese