Monday, 3 September 2012

Celebrity Wedding Planner

Neighbours veteran Ryan 'Toadie' Moloney is in town to take up the challenge along with fellow Aussie and former Ramsay Street resident Joe Mangel (otherwise known as comedian Mark Little). Will the pair manage to arrange a wedding in a matter of weeks, with just £12,000 to spend?

Putting their faith in this chaotic combo are brave British-born Chinese couple Kap and his 27-year-old bride-to-be Gigi, from London. They do not find out who is planning the biggest day of their lives until it is too late to back out.

Used to getting her own way, Gigi wants her wedding to be a whimsical, magical affair. After a wet and windy wakeboarding hen do, how will she cope when she discovers that she will be taking her vows in Longleat  Zoo and the guests will be entertained by an aboriginal storyteller accompanied by a didgeridoo player?

BBCZeitgeist Commentary: Rarer than Halley's comet, this could be the only chance in our lifetime to see a British Born Chinese ethnic Chinese same race marriage on a national terrestrial television channel...in a Zoo. Don't miss this programme, observe how a modern British Born Chinese couple live in the UK before our BBC community becomes ethnically cleansed by inter racial marriage. 

Celebrity Wedding Planner Series 2, Episode 3 - Monday 3rd September Channel 5 10pm  (Repeated Sunday 9th September Channel 5 11.20am)

44 comments:

  1. Watch it on Demand5:

    http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebrity-wedding-planner/episodes/neighbours-special

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    1. I couldn't get that link to work. I did find this teaser, though that does work, at least for me.

      http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebrity-wedding-planner/clips/series-2-episode-3-clip-weve-learnt-how-much-we-dont-know

      Will review both later.

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    2. Overall , decent job. Agreed this Channel 5 daytime TV episode is the closest we'll get to balanced BBC couple representation.The British Ethnic East Asian groom comes across as a bit of a lad, quite fun-loving and expressive which is nice, Chinese bride comes across as a bit whiny.

      Episode jokes mainly based on lighthearted Aussie humour and usual quick cutaways to keep the pace going rather than any outright Sinophobic jokes, though the odd subtle Sinophobic details in the editing and dialogue. Shame it's not on peak hour terrestrial TV, but then that's what Channel 5's for I suppose.

      EPISODE BREAKDOWN:

      24:07 BBC bride Gigi Ho appears . when she meets them she is surprised to see the two neighbours stars.

      25:36: Bride looks good in the dress.Says she loves the neckline and the two celebrity wedding planners say she looks beautiful in it.

      26 48: Her British East asian groom from up north appears. He look Thai, and with a name like Kap, probably is. Anyway seems to have more personality than his boring wife to be, and manages to throw in a quick joke making fun of the wedding planners dress sense, and that his wedding suit might be pink, but instead it has an Aussie flag on the inner jacket and a folded napkin with kangaroo logo in the pocket , main issue is the color of the gold tie and black suit, worried how Gigi will react to it.

      28:46: BBC couple share an actual onscreen peck on the cheek

      30:26: Girls are taken for hen's day out- Lake-boarding in Brighton .

      31.01: shots of Gigi constantly falls into the water from Lake-boarding after one of the Neighbours stars says 'shes a natural'

      31:26 Kap on stag's day out, eats bugs and Aussie beer with his mates - subtly showing Chinese enjoy eating weird things? Thankfully he's smart enough not to show any expression digesting it, because that's maybe what racist cameras were waiting for.

      32.26 Groom enjoys playing rugby , so far laddish but charming 'representation' of the British East Asian male - sliding through water on a pitch, but the more docile bride is a bit disappointed her hen day out treat it is to get up at 7am to go Lake-boarding followed by a Chip Butty meal.

      33.42: One of the Neighbours stars says 'the girls seem slightly disappointed they didn't give them something more' - insinuating sex?

      33:56: Groom is bit drunk, dressed as a playboy bunny.

      37:17 Make up professionals are sent in-- bride winces in pain as her hair is being done.

      38:28: The Neighbours hosts have forgotten to book the transport for the groom to appear, lots of zigzag camera movement, and cutaways to a clueless horse,

      38:50: Bride in wedding dress, with dad and two bridesmaids , she looks good.

      40:29: Happy married couple holding hands, lots of little cutaways to anticipation of guests build up

      41.17: Couple kiss

      42.00: Guests are surprised by the painted half naked old supposedly Aboriginal old white guy dancing as wedding entertainment. finally they go on a Sea Lion feeding boat trip. Bride looks semi happy, Groom always looks happy.

      Anyway I'm guessing they probably got paid well to be seen to be married on TV, so that presumably makes up for any potential onscreen embarrassment.

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    3. 'balanced BBC couple representation.The British Ethnic East Asian groom comes across as a bit of a lad, quite fun-loving and expressive which is nice, Chinese bride comes across as a bit whiny?'

      Haha are we watching the same programme?

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    4. This programme actually epitomises multiculturalism discussed previously here...

      http://bbczeitgeist.blogspot.com/2012/08/bt-advert-2012.html

      BBC are always shown to be integrated with blacks, whites and indians. Its quite remarkable how they ask two white aussies to plan their wedding and not involve anything nor anyone chinese in it. her parents should have a say, but they did nothing, they must be those types of useless weak chinese parents that many bbcs have.

      kap is utterly white washed, he plays American Football, his best man is a black man, the majority of friends are white.

      Gigi is a white washed bitch, she has that kind of face that makes you want to punch, she is horrible, she has two of those annoying small yapping dogs like bubzbeauty. her bridesmaid is a white washed muslim asian who wears mini skirts. her friends are most non-chinese too.

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    5. even gok wan appears to be more 'chinese' than these two.

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    6. Kap displays that the inherent problem with many BBC males -rampant immature moronic clowning nerdy behaviour.

      Gigi displays inherent problems with many BBC females - arseyness, bitchiness, self-centred, stroppy bad temper.

      Now, I dont know enough BBCs to know if this is the norm, if it is, god help us.

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    7. I still feel the programme is the best BBC representation will get for a while. You cant just suddenly expect to go from nothing to having it all. Multicultural it may be, but to me, the main focus was having, what was the selling point - a BBC couple, that is if you consider the British Thai groom as equivalent of BBC.

      Re: asking two white male aussies to host it, well with a title like 'celebrity wedding planner' and being on low budget Channel 5, they are going to have low budget celebs hosting it - in this case, the two neighbours actors, black white brown, who did you expect to fit the budget to make it more British Chinese Celeb? Burt Kwouk and David Yip? Ken Hom and Ching He Huang? They probably couldn't afford Gok Wan if they wanted to.

      I didn't realise the black man and the muslim girl were friends of the two, I just assumed they were helping out with the fitting and tagging along for the purpose of the show. That the groom's friends were black and white,and playing american football, okay fair enough that's multicultural, but then seeing that you yourself dont know many BBCs, what would you expect his friends to be in the UK if he was a BBC? All FOBS?

      And the groom is presumably British Born Thai so maybe he doesnt have much of a community in the UK, and his ethnic culture maybe has more priority towards behaving laddishly , over any qualms of being whitewashed.

      I thought both bridesmaids were Chinese and she had a few friends ( the same girls) that were ethnic Chinese on the coach bus. And at least both sides of the family were ethnic East Asian.

      Not sure about the moronic clowning nerdy behaviour. Smart Alecy but not sure if its the same as the BBC lot. To me he just seems outspoken and expressive.

      I agree Gigi was irritatingly whiny,and self centred, maybe catty, could be a trait with many BBC females, true. I didn't see the yapping dogs unless you are sarcastically referring to her bridesmaid friends.

      By the sounds of it you were expecting a programme called Chinese Celebrity Wedding Planner. Which probably never air on UK terrestrial. HK probably, but not here for a while I don't think.

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    8. this is the only representation you will get. Programme voiceover said he was British of Chinese heritage, in addition his parents were at the wedding, they looked a bit weird.

      You obviously fast forwarded it to about 20mins and missed a whole chunk of the programme thats why you failed appreciate my points nor understand how the programme works. two bridesmaids were present when she greeted her father, one was the Muslim Asian that was her sidekick and the other was Chinese.

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    9. When I was on a bus in London some time ago, I saw a Chinese (didn't know if they were BBC or not) couple getting married walking out from one of the Chinese-affiliated churches.

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    10. happybritishchinese6 September 2012 at 19:11

      The bride at 4:23 She says she didn't even recognise the groom when they first met and thought he was an idiot. Obvious whose wearing the pants in this relationship.

      'What Gigi wants Gigi gets'

      She really does come across as a classic BBC self-interested bitch. The two Chihahua dogs, shu mai and wuntun, yes that's pretty lame.

      The brides a banking adminstrator, so you probably picture her white/multicultural social circle already. Re: the groom, the voiceover got it wrong, he's Thai, Kap is a thai name ( ive googled it) and the reason his parents looked weird is because they are thai. Hes not BBC.Okay saw the brides sidekicks asian muslim, and the black guy with dreads sidekick, yes multiculturalism in place. Having said that if your advisors/sidekicks are BBC mates, if they are whitewashed, that's pretty much the same thing.

      Preston court - a 'vintage barn' in kent's countryside - the couple's ideal place of marriage. That's as whitewashed as you can get.

      On the flipside though, where in the UK would you consider a traditional 'Chinese' venue to get married for a BBC couple?

      Unless you are a BBC with strong cultural heritage or a BBC looking to get married in the far east with a traditional girl, your experience of getting married here is probably going to be like the one here in this show.

      The thing is like SF says, I don't imagine all modern HK couples have a 'traditional wedding' because likely they would incorporate white elements within a natural Chinese environment. White influence and multiculturalism is so thick in the UK in affecting BBC's that the only chance of living a Chinese married life with traditions in place would be relocating to the Far east, end of story. And once the ceremony is over, its up to the couple to retain that sense of Chineseness tin their own lives as the rest of China gets 'modernised' around them.

      The only thing we have left is our race, and unless you are both Chinese language speakers, everything else has been wiped clean. Chinese are flexible people, in order to survive, to the point of self - dissolving.

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    11. Wong, how do you feel about that?

      Do you know that other than the Korean Churches, the whole of China's 'official' churches eclipse the total of Christians in this country alone. In other words, Christianity is big all round.

      Also, we had just recently received photos from my cousin's wedding and saw how it is becoming 'norm' to have a white wedding followed by the traditional wedding. Guess what. The couple met at a church meeting. The only traditional thing nowadays is a gesture to the past. A red dress and a meal at a Chinese restaurant. If the family is very traditional, the parents accept money gifts from the guests and sign an attendance sheet usually on a piece of silk. I don't see much of that now. SF.

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    12. @SF, thats not particularly difficult though considering population of China is 1.3bn v 65-70million UK and Christianity is dying in the UK.

      @ The couple you saw in the church on probability will be FOBs, very few BBCs attend Chinese churches.

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    13. Let me correct your woeful knowledge of canto language and canto culture. 1) Kap is Cantonese, pronounced Gap, his name is Kap Ling. 2) British Chinese ceremonies are traditionally held in restaurants in the UK, I take it you've never been to one, therefore you are out of touch with traditional Chinese, which probably explains why you post self-deprecating comments such as this....'The only thing we have left is our race, and unless you are both Chinese language speakers, everything else has been wiped clean. Chinese are flexible people, in order to survive, to the point of self - dissolving.'

      I dont see myself in your statement. if youre white washed and many other chinese follow western culture, that doesnt apply to ALL chinese, you are not spokesperson for ALL chinese. Your generalisations are quite frankly stupid.

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    14. This quote 'White influence and multiculturalism is so thick in the UK in affecting BBC's that the only chance of living a Chinese married life with traditions in place would be relocating to the Far east,'....

      What traditions of chinese married life are you talking about? Were not talking about chinese married life, were talking about a Chinese wedding.

      Having a Chinese wedding or a western wedding is a personal choice, what has survival got to do with it? Is your life at risk because you have a chinese wedding over a western wedding?

      Personal choice has been ripped away from many Chinese as a result of western institutions such as the church, whilst the church is dying, the remnants of this wedding tradition in the form of the white bridal gown etc has remained and is now global commercial institution enforced by fashion houses and consumed by those who wishing to play the class game. I don't have to follow suit, nor do you.

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    15. @SF, I'm not sure, I just interjected that as I thought it might be relevant to the conversation, I forgot where.

      I'm an atheist, so I don't really think much about it.

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  2. "Gigi is a white washed bitch, she has that kind of face that makes you want to punch..."

    BBCZeitgeist, do let me know what that is. Honestly, you do sound like you know plenty of BBCs, but then you say you don't. Is that face projected from from a western view-point perhaps. You sound a little confused.

    If the two seems a little whitewashed, then what should the BBCs in this country be like?

    "Kap displays that the inherent problem with many BBC males -rampant immature moronic clowning nerdy behaviour..."

    More nuggets from you BBCZeitgeist. Did the programme makers pluck the wrong type or are you insinuating BBC males as having problems if they are seen as immature-moronic? If the above is not to your personal liking, is there such a thing as an ideal BBC man/woman? Seems you have a slim ideal for the prototype BBC in Britain.

    Finally, be very honest here, you then say "Gigi displays inherent problems with many BBC females - arseyness, bitchiness, self-centred, stroppy bad temper." Are you sure this kind of behaviour is not present in Hong Kong girls? Maybe you are confusing HKTVB soaps with real-life Britain perhaps? SF.

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    1. There is no confusion, I know plenty of BBCs to form a judgment, but nationally we have to rely on 'statistics' and other sources. The BBCs I 'personally' know are all from the south east, I'm not personally on speaking terms with any BBCs that live outside of South East England, I have come across a handful of northern bbcs in the past, but if BBCOnline and the facebook group (which are littered with northern/midlands BBC) are an accurate cross section, I'll say were doomed.

      I have no prototype, I'm merely writing about the state of BBCs and in answer to your question, IMO BBC males in general have a tendency to display one or more of those adjectives, likewise almost all the BBC girls I've met in my life have exhibited one or more of those tendencies. Whether this behaviour is also prevalent in HK girls is not really related to the discussion nor the programme, though if you want to share your opinions, youre welcome to do so. Also, maybe you should actually watch the programme first before you throw unnecessary questions.

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  3. BBCZeitgeist repeats time and time again "white-wash" for these BBCs. That's fine, and a fair assessment, after all, it's ignorant to say they are British as such, since their parents will have been brought up in anothr culture that is not from this country.

    I'm more interested in what 'not' being whitewashed means. Anyone care to write what that is. I am interested, because a lot has been discussed about worshipping white people and the culture, but what about finding time to explain the fundamentals of being Chinese. After all, if we don't talk about everything from all sides, we may never get to the heart of why BBCs have not formed any kind of in-between culture. SF.

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    1. Are you for real? This entire blog discusses these questions, do you want me to post 127 article links onto this comment box for you to peruse?

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    2. Actually i'll give you a general answer, anything that distinguishes you from other white black British should be a starting point, otherwise you'll simply be British, last time I checked I'm BBC. In the case of this wedding, it was a 100% western wedding. Her parents were not consulted, she could have insisted on having something chinese, whether food, rituals, music, themes, entertainment, they both chose the best man and the primary bridesmaid who were non-chinese as advisory sidekicks who consulted on their wedding, non-chinese cannot advise on chinese weddings, if you have monkeys running the wedding you get peanuts. Though having said that, they wanted a western wedding, so they got a western wedding, they are at fault for being white washed.

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    3. BBCZeitgeist, I will give you my running commentary when I do see the show.

      Do you know, in Hong Kong, it's now part of the culture to have a western wedding followed by a Chinese wedding? Yes, no "gwei lo" in the photos, but nonetheless white puff-ball dress and tie and suit under steamed lights.

      Since this blog states so much about South East Chinese, mainly those from Canton region, is that Chinese representation? Or, is that white washed. The reason I'm getting to this, is to see what a purist is thinking. You say they are at fault for being white washed. From where I see it, there are a lot of people at fault right this minute. They are not just the British Born. SF.

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    4. Of course, I'm not denying that, even in the UK many chinese have dual weddings, I've been to them, have you attended them? But the Chinese ceremony usually pails in insignificance to the western ceremony, in the programme they spent 12k on their western wedding, this I think is incorrect logic.

      HK'ers as running dogs of the British have been proponents of western luxury branding (a western couture wedding is just an extension of that) longer than the current generations of mainlanders.

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    5. BBCZeitgeist, I still haven't seen this show yet, but will when I get a chance next week as it's not my top priority.

      I responded to this topic because of the highlighted text from from my previous post regarding your reaction.

      It's not an attack but genuinely analytical. In particular, your view on BBC men. It seemed like you had stepped away from what the media was projecting and simply injected your personal view about BBCs in this country. Is it just BBCs or is it Chinese in general?

      As for the female, again I'm not disputing your view-point, but felt that in your delivery of words, it appeared quite 'western'. The bit about punching a woman in the face, which I note has since been removed. Personally, I find that kind of response very un-Chinese.

      There are plenty hen-pecked Chinese men, and some even enjoy being nagged at. The believe the stroppiness is often closely linked to clinginess when we're discussing BBC women. Can that seem bitchy? I say yes it does. But I also believe it's a forming culture of the previlege in places like Hong Kong. It's held up as being cool to behave that way. Over here, it's seen as being high-camp.

      As for the figures, yes, of course it's obvious China will have more Christians. But, it's the official churches. There will be far more unofficial ones and they are growing. I'm not against this religion, but it filters through China in a way that will eventually dilute the traditions and slowly make simpletons that think west is best. SF.

      SF.

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    6. Nail on head. As usual, the problem isn't exactly that Chinese are doing western things, but rather they're doing western things in the belief that they are better because they are western. Same with interracial relationships, you look at other races involved and while they are together because they love each other, oriental women in general also do it with the inherent belief that they have a catch because white is "better"

      http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2012/06/26/who-do-you-love-korean-ethnocentrism-international-couples-and-the-dating-dilemma

      http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/asian-woman-dating-asian-men-jenny-an#

      Read those two articles, both from oriental women who go at lengths to describe how oriental men are racist and culturally backwards... then right at the end give the game away - they just want a white man regardless.

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  4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Chinese_wedding

    Roast baby pig, red envelope giving, tea ceremony where couple serves tea to everyone, starting with the elders

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_wedding

    Performed in the evening,as a sign of good fortune, organised via arranged marriage

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage

    Based on the concept of monogamy ( like most weddings, not just christian weddings) and confucian principles of marriage

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucian_view_of_marriage

    where one of the purposes of marriage is the cultivation of virtue

    'In the perspective of family, marriage can bring families of different surnames (different clans) together, and continue the family life of the concerned clans. Therefore, only the benefits and demerits of the clans, instead of the individual couples'

    Also found something on 'Traditional marriage rituals' and the 'six etiquettes'

    Chinese marriage became a custom between 402 and 221 BC. Despite China's long history and many different geographical areas, there are essentially six rituals, generally known as the three letters and six etiquettes (三書六禮). Unfortunately for some traditional families, the wife's mother cannot go to her son-in-law's family until one year (according to the Chinese Lunar Calendar or Chinese Lunar New Year)after the wedding has elapsed. However, during this one year the daughter can go back at anytime.

    Wedding Ceremony:

    Wedding Procession from the bride's home to the groom's home consists of a traditional band, the bride's sedan, the maids of honor's sedans (if there are maids of honor), and bride's dowry in the forms other than money.
    Welcoming the Bride: The wedding procession of the bride's family stops at the door of the groom's home. There are ceremonies to be followed to welcome the bride and her wedding procession into the groom's home, which varies from locale to locale.
    Actual Wedding Ceremonies: Equivalent to exchanging vows in the west, the couple would pay respect to the Jade Emperor, the family deities (or buddhas and bodhisattvas), paying respect to deceased ancestors, the bride and groom's parents and other elders, and paying respect to each other.




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    1. The Wedding Banquets In Chinese society, the wedding banquet is known as xǐ-jǐu (喜酒, literally joyful wine), and is sometimes far more important than the actual wedding itself. There are ceremonies such as bride presenting wines or tea to parents, spouse, and guests. In modern weddings, the bride generally picks red (following Chinese tradition) or white (more Western) for the wedding, but most will wear the red traditional garment for their formal wedding banquets. Traditionally, the groom is responsible for the cost of the wedding invitation sweet treats (often pastries), the banquet invitations, and the wedding itself. Wedding banquets are elaborate and consist usually of 5-10 courses, with ingredients such as shark's fin, abalone, lobster, squab, sea cucumber, swift nests, fish roe in soup or as decoration on top of a dish to symbolize fertility, and local delicacies. Traditionally, the father of the bride is responsible for the wedding banquet hosted on the bride's side and the alcohol consumed during both banquets. The wedding banquets are two separate banquets: the primary banquet is hosted once at the bride's side, the second banquet (smaller banquet) at the groom's side. While the wedding itself is often based on the couple's choices, the wedding banquets are a gesture of "thanks" and appreciation, to those that have raised the bride and groom (such as grandparents and uncles). It is also to ensure the relatives on each side meet the relatives on the other side. Thus out of respect for the elders, wedding banquets are usually done formally and traditionally, which the older generation is thought to be more comfortable with.

      Before modern times, women were not allowed to choose the person they married. Instead, the family of the bride picked the prospective husband. Marriages were chosen based upon the needs of reproduction and honor, as well as the need of the father and husband.

      So who on here intends to abide by all of the above at their wedding ceremony?


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    2. And let me know if i missed anything, as im open to listening and learning.

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  5. Could either BBCZ or HPC please provide an example in which the behaviour described in the folowing quotes are prominently displayed?

    "Kap displays that the inherent problem with many BBC males -rampant immature moronic clowning nerdy behaviour."

    "Smart Alecy"

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    1. One example of 'smart alecy'

      27:17 Kap ( re: his neighbours suitors) : 'One's wearing shorts and a t-shirt, the others wearing a full suit and a hat. im not a very big fan of hats
      ( to the neighbours actors re: his wedding suit): it's not pink is it?

      Probably more 'cheeky' or 'cocky' is a better way of putting it. In his demeanor, you can see he thinks a lot of himself, and with his bride coming across as queen of the BBC bitches, they make a good match.

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  6. What I meant was a real life example, apologies for the lack of clarification.

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    1. How do you capture someones mannerisms, character and personality in text? You can't, much of it is a feeling or impression when you meet someone, your reaction 'this guy's a twat, idiot, geek, nerd etc.' Even the girl in the video said she thought her bf was an idiot when she first met him. If you require online examples, try Facebook BBC group and click on a couple of random profiles of a Chinese males. From the stupid faces they pull in their photos - yeah i'm so wacky! I must use this photo as my FB avatar! to the childish immature self deprecating comments they make.

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  7. The show seemed more about the 'celebrity' planners, so these couples that take part are 'game' for whatever they give their lives to. They have both been sucked in with the mainstream obsession of reality TV, therefore quite shallow in my view.

    Even with the tears, they are insincere because both knew they were handing their souls to reality TV for a quick short moment of fame that no one will remember. Why do people not realise that humiliation for exchange for five minutes' of fame is simply madness? Has the fixation with fame and lust for attention blinded people's judgment to the point of no return?

    Firstly, a name like Gigi sounds like pet name given to her. I doubt that name was what she was born with. It's cute, and it's baby-like, and quite like many Hong Kong names. She speaks quietly and seems quite reserved. This is often seen with BBCs from rich backgrounds. She does no favours for BBC women (sadly plenty who want to be taken seriously)when she spends more time crying and waving her ghetto-fabulous nails about like she's somehow detached from what she has just started. This 'pretend' fear of what she has let herself into seems to be standard on reality shows. It wouldn't make great TV if all couples stood there and said they were cool with it, which is what she and Kap are subscribing to, since both have given their consent.

    Kap is playing the wounded hen-pecked groom already, and displays the signs of doing anything for his new wife. All good, but at the same time, showing no interest in being Chinese, since he wants "good honest British food" for his choice wedding. He seems quite the regular "muliti verything" guy. Middle of the road and safe. I wouldn't say nerdy or immature.

    It's fair to say, both are very much the perfect couple, but in the traditional sense, both shouldn't really be living together before the wedding. Having said that, living in a "new-build" detached house is quintessentially Chinese to the core. Most Chinese like new houses, since it is better to have new than old.

    Both, if anything are British and show no sign that they are aware they are Chinese. This is common because Chinese people living abroad do not seem to be aware of their skin tone because they somehow believe they are passed as British most of the time. Most negativity about China seems to pass them by because they know nothing about China nor will bother to find out. In that sense, ignorance can be bliss. SF.

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    1. Oh come on, shes not the 'quiet' type. Her nails are ghetto? I would have thought polished nailsis just following the Asian beauty trend like bubzbeauty does with (skin, hair, nails,make up etc) since many nail salons are viet owned. As for the no living together before marriage issue, thats not taboo, not even FOBs care about that issue any more, why should BBCs?

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    2. BBCZeitgeist, ghetto-fabulous brought to you by the Vietnamese. First, the customers were Black, then they were the Eastern Europeans, and now even Gigi's sporting them. As a barometre, or judge of character, nail art wearers are for the down-market women. I'm surprised to see Gigi getting with the ghetto style.

      Living together thing I agree. My parents are super strict. They spend too much time criticising their friends' children for living together and failing to marry withing a year.

      She seemed quietly spoken in front of the cameras. You are being harsh there. Maybe her girliness makes you assume she'll throw an almighty strop when the cameras are off. She was most likely treated like a princess, so has continued to play that role in adulthood. If a man behaved like that, he'll be labelled as camp. SF.

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    3. It was all a lie - Gigi and Kap only did this for the money and when they got paid they went off and got married again properly

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  8. Replying to BBCZeitgeist, I have not really been to a traditional wedding for a long time, but I'm aware of its significance when it's mainly done to please the parents, since it's the only time parents are able to do their bit. Enjoy meeting old friends and nose at other families' children. Then there's the gift money that many keep for themselves and seldom hand over to their children.

    Nowadays, during the recession, I often hear my parents moaning about the 'price' it costs per person to attend, what is too much, or what's too little. A no-show after being invited is a big snub, so there's sometimes an element of attending even when people don't want to attend.

    I find Chinese people to be like that. Never able to say no, and never able to accept gifts. It's a superficial puffing of chests as far as I see it. Whoever holds out often has the upperhand.

    As for Hong Kong traits, I do see the relevance even when you don't. Gigi displays the signs of aspiring to Hong Kong culture. Wear all things designer-like, place 100% on appearance, whilst mixing it with a spoilt princess attitude. The "what Gigi wants, Gigi gets" is the hallmark of a skulking girl-friend who always want people to fall around her. She would be in for a round of shock if no-one responded to her child-like tendencies.

    Speaking of child-like, it's this kind of behaviour which western men seem to assume Chinese/oriental women to be like. The cutesy, clueless and doe-eye look. Unfortunately, Gigi seems to be veering towards that end, which doesn't help create a serious image for Chinese women. But, I don't hold out much hope since she will be the future of BBCs. SF.

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