Sunday, 30 September 2012

zadig and voltaire racism

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Zadig + Voltaire’s New Hotel Will Ban ‘Chinese Tourists’

  

Thierry Gillier,  Zadig + Voltaire founder

If you make a mistake on the web, people will most definitely see it. And if you try to cover it up, well, that just makes it worse. Case in point: a racist remark in an article about Zadig + Voltaire‘s new hotel in Paris’ Left Bank.

The brand’s founder Thierry Gillier told WWD that a mansion in which the spring 2013 show was just held would become a “high-end hotel” opening in 2014. He calls it “a project dear to our hearts”, and it’s apparently going to be so exclusive that certain people, specifically “Chinese tourists”, are not allowed.

Read more: http://www.styleite.com/media/zadig-voltaire-hotel-racist/

22 comments:

  1. Sadly most ABCs here in the US don't see any issue with this blatant and continuing racism. If anything they say we deserve it because we don't pander, slobber, and act politically correct towards the other racists toward us in this country - black, and brown Latinos. We can't stand up to anyone. It's pathetic. Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only Chinese person outraged. I've really lost count how many murders, assaults, robberies, and racist articles have gone down.

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    1. What I know about ABCs is at least you have AA media and campaigners against misconstrued media portrayals. It's proportionate - bigger population requires bigger groups of activists. And in the case of consumerism, voting with our Chinese wallet.

      Its like in america, as an ethnic Chinese, if you pay for a ticket to see Chinese being slaughtered in films like Men in Black 2, then you are contributing to the sinophobia

      As long as middleclass /newly rich mainlander females flock to the disneyland imagined wonders of the western world, continue to patronise western brands, and sleep with white males, this will never end. In many ways Hong Kong being the most 'developed' part of China of China didnt exactly lead a good example.

      In the case of Zadig + Voltaire’s 'high end' New Hotel , this french shop is publicly saying no to chinese money - a political attack as well as a sinophobic one. So from now on mainlanders should flat out refuse to patronise these racist Italian French European brand name industries and that fat gweilo frog hotel owner can go fuck himself. But judging how clueless and consumerist FOBS are, its unlikely.

      Look at the pathetic french FOBS in this pic

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13926342

      Waving the red white and blue flag at a protest! Unless that pic was specifically chosen to misportray our race( its the british brainwashing corporation website) with that kind of lameness, what else you expect?







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  2. It's that European sophistication thing. The Chinese really can't join the club because they have no 'class'. That's what that comment is all about. Even the Hong Kongers are jumping on that, turning on the mainlanders.

    Because of the new wealth, the tide of tourists are irritating the old-guard. When I say old guard, I mean the snobby ones who regard that money isn't everything, and what China lacks is not money obviously, it's class.

    The west are still stuck on that, and will show their bitter hatred of wealthy people who are not refined. China other than footballers fit that bill nicely. The comment might have slipped out, but I guess, a few might nod in agreement privately.

    The reality is, most China nationals will just skim past this and still trip over themselves to get their hands on their latest gear. What's even more strange is, Chinese tourists can just boycott that brand, and they'll be struggling within a year or two. But, why do I get the feeling, the Chinese will not be doing that? SF.

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    1. The Japs are welcome though I presume? from what I know about France, Japanese are highly regarded because of their contribution to culture.

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    2. ...whereas the Chinese have been banned before from Parisian fashion houses because their motivation is to create counterfeit copies.

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    3. But look at the wording of the owners quote:

      “It will be a slightly private hotel, not open to everybody, with 40 rooms. We are going to select guests. It won’t be open to Chinese tourists, for example. There is a lot of demand in Paris — many people are looking for quiet with a certain privacy.”

      Theres nothing in that quote that talks about protection of copyright - its a clear stance under the racist suggestion that all Chinese have no class

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    4. These Freudian slip-ups says it all. There are too many of us Chinese, and the mass consumerism can actually damage his label's exclusiveness. Then finally, our lack of class.

      The Europeans know best about protecting brands through Intellectual Properties. The message is clear, high value is placed on creating small volumes, for which the Chinese are definitely not doing. Sadly, with the new money, many mainlanders fill the malls oblivious of European prejudices about China's image as the powerhouse of mass, therefore not regarded as exclusive and sophisticated.

      Class is very much part of the west, and China is not regarded high up when it comes to class. It's the one single thing the west can sting China with in sly ways. But, in my opinion, it's the one last stand remaining that will eventually melt away soon, because China whether the west like it or not, will be a big part of the future.

      Zadig and Voltaire may regard themselves as cutting edge and progressive in the world of fashion, but they are simply borrowing from the past snobbery to help themselves create brand awareness. I would love to see China nationals boycott their stores, and see how long they'll last. SF.

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    5. well, its not only a class issue, its a race issue too and its an issue about perception and reputation. How are the Chinese tourists perceived by the French? Obviously very negatively. they have a poor reputation.

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    6. Yes, theres nothing on worrying about copyright and theres nothing in his statement about class either. This is how were intrepreting it by implication.

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  3. Regarding the Japs comment. If you remember a little further back, the Japanese tourists were also put in the same mould. The image was of newly rich clueless folks touring the world with their over-sized cameras getting in everyone's way.

    The only difference is, China has taken over the Japanese in tourist volumes around the world, and Japan is still suffering from the early recession, so have scaled down a bit. They are lumped in the same category as the Chinese, but escape comment because there are less of them nowadays.

    Please note that the hotel project is a small fringe thing, only there to help make the brand look more different, and in that one, no Chinese because it cheapens the appeal. But I doubt Tierry Gillier will make a similar 'lapse of judgement' on their store's lines, which is where the money is really made, which they'do' need China tourists. SF.

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    1. I very much doubt Japs hold that reputation you have described any more in France, maybe about 20 years ago in the last century when the Japanese were in their 'copying' phase, times have moved on since then, so has Japanese style and culture. To give you an example, in a French magazine, French women voted Japanese men the most desirable. Do you think they would have voted Japanese men the most desirable 20years ago? Of course not.

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  4. @BBCz Why do you use the ethnic slur "Japs" when referring to Japanese people? Would you not be offended if Chinese people were referred to as "Chinks"?

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    1. Lorbattau is better for you? Or are you attempting to derail the issue away from the article?

      This is a Chinese blog, not a Japanese blog, we represent our own interests, what makes you think Japs don't use the C word against Chinese people? They do.

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    2. I thought it was EU Law and illegal to exclude people on the grounds of race, sexuality and disability etc. why was not enforced ?!!

      @Anonymous October 2012 17:25
      Is a probably a regular clientee Les Turnip Tete Hotel

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    3. Theyve since retratced their statement. Their policy was only a consideration, the hotel isn't even completed nor open for business yet, so the law can't be applied yet can it?

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    4. Isn't it the case that many exclusive places even Golf Clubs and other sports clubs refuse entry to 'certain' people. I remember the Borat TV show, Borat goes to a Bowls Club and asks the manager if everyone is welcome at the club. They said yes. He then said....'even gypsies?' Er, no, gypsies would not be welcome.

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    5. Heres the link you may be referring to

      http://www.france24.com/en/20121005-zadig-voltaire-boss-sorry-over-no-chinese-gaffe-tourism-france-china

      "This is obviously racial discrimination. Not every Chinese is uncultivated, there are many more who are cultured," said one user on popular Chinese social network Sina.com.

      "I think this pretentious brand will lose an important market if it really turns down Chinese."

      Looks like the owner was too late to apologize to the whitelicking FOBS haha

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  5. Comments have been removed for 'derailing' away from the issues in the article. Any further comments unrelated to the article will also be removed.

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  6. Totally agreed. If Chinese could be more cohesive we would have unbridled power.

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  7. the last time i seen a similar notice is in Bruce Lee's Fist of Fury: "No Chinese or Dogs allowed", which Brucy takes on the LorBatTaus and perserves the Kung Fu School Sign, I heard rumours that Edison Chen and Cecilia are considering a remake, it's called "Fist of Furry" that will ruffle a few feathers or hairs.

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    1. Haha

      September news, Eddy dating one of his own employees. They stayed at the Four Seasons Hotel all night, btw

      http://www.jaynestars.com/news/edison-chen-dating-his-own-employee/

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